That looks really interesting.
I am pretty sure this can be useful.
" Outliers are atypical (by definition), infrequent observations"
I have to admit that I do not understand the technique yet but I will
certainly give it a try.
Also I have found after going through some hundreds of images that some
methods are more reliable than others and using only those who are more
reliable and combine it with this I will be getting pretty close to
certainty I guess.
I have tried different sizes of the kern 8 8;16 16;20 20; 24 24 - the total
image being 512 512.
It looks like 24 24 is giving me best results. Is there any rule to how big
the kern size should be?
2007/3/15, Oleg Kobchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I tried to run this set of data through Dendrite
cluster analysis to filter the error results and
got a new average of 327.75 363.5.
See details in the "Error Filter" topic at
http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Dendrite/Applications
--- Bj�rn Helgason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I accidentally divided by 5 instead of 6 but that does not change the
> question
>
>
>
> a=.328 364;127 478;159 1;328 363;327 365;328 362
> 6%~+/>a
> 266.167 322.167 NB. correct answer should be 328 363
>
>
> a=.247 235;0 0;244 433;129 304;246 236;291 48
> 6%~+/>a
> 192.833 209.333 NB. correct answer should be 247 235
>
>
> 2007/3/15, Björn Helgason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Lets say I use different methods to find the point and the correct
answer
> > should be 328 363
> >
> > Even if the majority are correct or close to it the mean may not be a
good
> > answer
> >
> >
> > a=.328 364;127 478;159 1;328 363;327 365;328 362
> > 5%~+/>a
> > 319.4 386.6
> >
> > Any suggestions to get a better approximation?
> >
> > 2007/3/15, Björn Helgason < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > I am trying different sizes of the kern and different filters.
> > >
> > > I created a form to show the images and different filtering and
various
> > > results of finding the object.
> > > I try it out with finding patterns equal to different numbers and
> > > combinations of numbers as well as the actual kern without filter.
> > >
> > > It takes time to do the manual checking to see what settings give
best
> > > results and are accurate.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2007/3/14, Oleg Kobchenko < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> > > >
> > > > The listed image formats should not produce any
> > > > difference since they all are lossless compressions.
> > > > You can verify creating images in different formats,
> > > > loading in J and then subtracting the values.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding image recognition, although the simple difference
minimum
> > > > method may work, it is not very stable and depends on
> > > > accuracy of defining the kernel and the chosen threshold,
> > > > which is different for every instance.
> > > >
> > > > It would be nice to see how other methods fair,
> > > > such as cross-correlation, as listed by Devon McCormick
> > > >
> > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2007-March/029123.html
> > > >
> > > > You can go iteratively, tweaking a working algorithm
> > > > with different ideas to see what's improving.
> > > > For example, I like the idea of normalization (first link)
> > > >
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~elec431/projects96/pictomaniacs/previous.html
> > > > <
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/%7Eelec431/projects96/pictomaniacs/previous.html
>
> > > >
> > > > You can apply it to the method you use now to see if it will
> > > > eliminate the mismatch.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Bj�rn Helgason < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > When extracting an image to work with from a Dicom file I have
three
> > > > options
> > > > >
> > > > > dcm2pnm - Convert DICOM images to PPM/PGM, PNG, TIFF or BMP
> > > > >
> > > > > +obt --write-24-bit-bmp
> > > > > write 24-bit truecolor BMP
> > > > >
> > > > > +ot --write-tiff
> > > > > write 8-bit (monochrome) or 24-bit (color) TIFF
> > > > >
> > > > > +on --write-png
> > > > > write 8-bit (monochrome) or 24-bit (color) PNG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have up to now used bmp and am reasonably happy with the
results.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wondering if the other forms TIFF or PNG would give me
better
> > > > results.
> > > > > Would I need different technique to find the object I am looking
for
> > > > in the
> > > > > image?
> > > > >
> > > > > The method Oleg sent in earlier finds the object most of the
time in
> > > > the BMP
> > > > > images.
> > > > > Actually only found one image so far where it missed the object
and
> > > > gave
> > > > > another fairly similar looking location.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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