--- Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 6/28/07, John Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  X_i has the population distribution, so the variance of X_i is \sigma^2.
> > The parenthetical (population variance) is an explanatory note, not an
> > argument for \sigma^2.
> 
> Ok, fair enough.
> 
> That said, I believe I now understand your proof well enough to assert
> that your proof works just as well if I use the same calculation
> for sample standard deviation as I use for population standard
> deviation.  (With no "n-1" adjustment for the variance when working
> with samples).
> 
> In other words:
> 
> Let $\mu$ and $\sigma$ be the population mean and standard deviation.
> Fix the sample size $n$. Let $\bar X$ be the sample mean, $S^2$ the
> sample variance given by
> 
> $$ S^2=(1/n)\sum (X_i-\bar X)^2$$
>
> It is elementary to show $E(\bar X)=\mu$.  We now show
> $E(S^2)=\sigma^2$.

This looks like Law of Large Numbers applied--
however, not for baised estimate of the second 
central moment above. (See experiment.)

...
> 
> I've checked my work on this -- I built myself a numerical
> model representing most of the above statements and
> have tested both versions of it [yours and mine] against
> several different populations and sample sizes.

It would be good to see the model.
Here's a simple and straightforward Monte Carlo
experiment running biased and unbiased estimates
head-to-head.

In fact it show that

    E((1/n)\sum (X_i-\bar X)^2)    is  (n-1)/n \sigma^2
and
    E(1/(n-1)\sum (X_i-\bar X)^2)  is  \sigma^2

NB. =========================================================
load 'stats'

samp=: ?@(# #) { ]
bvar=: var * <:@# % #

PS=: 100000

testvar=: 4 : 0
  V=. B=. 0
  D=. normalrand PS
  for_i. i.x do.
    d=. y samp D
    V=. V +  var d
    B=. B + bvar d
  end.
  (V%x),(B%x),bvar D
)
NB. =========================================================

   10000 testvar 20          NB. 10000 runs with 20-item samples
0.993172 0.943514 0.994428
   0.943514 * 20%19          NB. compensate bias
0.993173



      
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