For Devon's purposes, what's needed are dates for the following: 196x SHARP APL/DOS 198x SHARP APL/MVS 198x SHARP APL/PC370 198x SHARP APL/PC 1985 SHARP APL/HP 1986 SAX
(Yes, the official names have all caps.) Xerox, Hitachi, etc. would be included only if the operating systems are different. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bernecky <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:38 Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Anniversary To: General forum <[email protected]> > The date to go by on the SHARP APL "in-house" offering > would be the rough date of the Xerox install in > Webster, NY. As I recall, Xerox was getting uppity about > paying huge time-sharing bills, and was threatening to leave, > although I don't remember where they were planning to leave to. > Ian made the decision to turn SHARP APL into a generally > available in-house offering at that point. > > Bob > > Devon McCormick wrote: > > Joey - according to Wikipedia, Sharp APL was available as an > "in-house" > > product in 1980. This raises the question of what date > to use - that of the > > internal system or one publicly available. I've been > tending to the earlier > > date. > > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Joey K Tuttle > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Devon, > >> > >> Nice that you're doing this. > >> > >> The IBM 5100 was APL.SV rather than APL\360 - it was indeed > in 1975. > >> I think one of the astonishing things about the 5100 is that > the IBM > >> Rochester department that developed it had only 8 regular > employees.>> Another interesting fact is that when the 5110 came > out with disk > >> storage, a 3.5 inch technology from Sony (that showed up 10 years > >> later in PCs) was rejected because it was "too far out" - > instead the > >> already in use IBM 8 inch floppy was used... > >> > >> Sharp APL came considerably earlier than 1979. Actually in > 1978 or 79 > >> Sharp APL had dial up access in Moscow - as well as many > other places > >> around the world. STSC's first time sharing service was run > on a > >> machine at I.P. Sharp Associates, the development of the APL file > >> system was a shared project. Considerable history of the Sharp > >> network (along with contemporary other networks) can be found at > >> http://www.rogerdmoore.ca/ the wikipedia page > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._P._Sharp_Associates is interesting > >> and partly accurate ... > >> > >> There is active interest in APL and time lines like this at > >> http://www.computerhistory.org/ (whose server has been down > today...)>> > >> - joey > >> > >> > >> At 00:03 -0400 2009/08/31, Devon McCormick wrote: > >>> Thanks for the reminder - and a belated happy birthday to J! > >>> > >>> This is a good intro for something I'm working on for the > Ken Iverson page > >>> for the ACM's Turing Award winners web pages. There's > a section I'm on > >> now > >>> for APL systems in chronological order. I've asked APL > vendors to > >>> contribute a few lines about their respective systems but > it's mostly > >> meant > >>> as an historical perspective. > >>> > >>> I'd like some help with dates and any systems I've > missed. For instance, > >>> Wikipedia mentions systems by Burroughs, CDC, and other mainframe > >> companies > >>> with whose APLs I am unfamiliar. > >>> > >>> Here's what I have so far: > >>> > >>> [1964] I.P. Sharp Associates: developed early packet > switching computer > >>> networking system known as IPSANET, and a global e-mail > system. Purchased > >>> in 1987[?] by Reuters. > >>> [1966] APL\360 > >>> [1967] APL\1130 > >>> [1969] Scientific Time-Sharing Corporation > >>> [1973] APL.SV: introduces shared variables. > >>> [1973] 8008-based MCM/70 > >>> [1975?] APL\360 on the 5100 > >>> [?] Burroughs APL\700 > >>> [1977] 8080-based "small APL" called EMPL > >>> [1977] Z-80-based TIS APL > >>> [1978] PDP / LSI-11 implementmentation of APL > >>> [1979] Sharp APL > >>> [1981?] IBM VSAPL > >>> [1982?] APL.68000 for Motorola 68000 > >>> [1983?] Analogic's APL machine > >>> [1982] APL*PLUS PC > >>> [1983?] NARS2000: open source APL interpreter written > by Bob Smith. > >>> [1983?] MicroAPL's APLX > >>> [1984] IBM APL2 > >>> [1985] Dyalog > >>> [1988] Timothy A. Budd's "An APL compiler" > >>> [1987] Rationalized APL > >>> [1988] A+ > >>> [1989] J Software > >>> [1990] ACORN: APL to C On Real Numbers - a prototype APL to > C compiler. > >>> [1993] K > >>> [1995] APL2000 > >>> [?] APL to C# translator from Causeway Graphical Systems > >>> [?] Bob Bernecky's APEX compiler > >>> > >>> Any help, especially with references, would be > appreciated. As you can > >> see, > >>> some of them - I'm looking at you "Sharp" - are particularly > difficult to > >>> pin down. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Devon > >>> > >>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:07 PM, PackRat > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Three days ago, August 27 (about 4pm), was the 20th > anniversary of the > >>>> "birth" of J > <http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Incunabulum>, and > >>>> it has grown and developed ever since. I don't > know if the developers > >>>> of J consider that the "birthdate", but it makes a > lot of sense to me. > >>>> Happy birthday, J! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
