On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:48:34 -0700 (PDT) tom marinis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Matthew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Suckers!!!
>
>
> Who are you referring to Matthew, the Homeland Security
> Office in the USA who chose Microsoft, or the
> users of the internet?
>
> The biggests losers will be the Open Source Community, and
> the Linux community. This is just the tip of the Iceberg.
>
>
> Please understand, right now, the internet, the users, and
> the businesses use the internet because it is free, and
> unregulated. It is freely availble to anyone and everyone for
> there own purposes.
>
> However, Homeland Security cannot permit this to occur,
> because this freedom causes a lot of restrain on resources
> and making tracking people down very hard.
>
> To permit the Internet to continue like this in the US
> if Homeland Security is to address certain draw backs and
> pitfalls the internet has, there has to be some type
> of measures, and methods of tracking that can be introduced
> along with remote e-mail copy/retrival that the MS OS
> already affords in XP.
Now you're getting paranoid.
HS and the entities that now comprise them have always used M$.
Use of Linux in the US (particularly on the destop) is going to take
some time because it's been around for US folks for so long (there's
something else?). Outside the US, switching to Linux (or even just
starting in Linux) is easy. No need for massive retraining and lots of
wailing, weeping, and gnashing of teeth.
>
>
> With Microsoft becoming the winner, MS will eventually convince
> the powers at be, that the only method of really controlling the
> problems of crackers, spammers, and people that abuse the
> internet in general is to regulate it via OS, browser, and
> whatever other utility program that could be run
> on a computer you can think of.
M$ strong point has always been marketing. They'll ride it for all it's
worth.
>
>
> MS will suggest to the H.S. that all internet commerce,
> all websites, and all web browsers, Computer PC
> Operating Systems, and Cell phone and PDA services be run
> under the Microsoft OS that they will produce in the future, or
> the Internet will be made rendered unusable by other non-MS
> products.
Won't work:
1. the Internet is UNIX-based. Always has been, and I suspect always
will be (at least for the forseeable future).
2. you can only dictate so much. OSS can't be outlawed, even the US
Gov't uses it (NSA, NASA, etc.).
You're being alarmist.
>
> Don't you recall the Pentium III came out with CPU ID's
> when INTEL FIRST introduced them? Do you think that process
> has stopped? What about all those cell phones and PDA's now?
Yep, the CPU id's are used for DRM. About all, too.
>
>
> Business people in the USA right now are somewhat
> upset by spam, viruses, and general mischief on the 'net.
>
> It costs them money.
Then they need to understand that OSS can help, not hurt. Running
FreeBSD and Linux is often the best defense. They just need to be
educated by someone other than M$.
>
> These problems occur because most PC users ( okay, say 70% )
> are using MS products, and those people attacking
> those computers are running non-MS OS's.
Where did you get this nonsense from? Proof. M$ script kiddies that
d/l cracker programs and push buttons cause most of the problems. The
14 year old that shut down one company was running M$ and controlling
other M$ systems for his DOS attacks.
I need to see proof of your accusations.
>
> See where I'm going with this yet?
yep, and it's all alarmist nonsense.
>
> Under the auspices of Homeland Defense, MS will, eventually
> argue successfully that the consumer must be 'regulated ' and
> 'protected' from unsavoury characters on the internet, or any
> operating systems that Homeland Security cannot regulate,
> monitor, or control be rendered unusable to its US web content
> and websites.
They'll argue. Cooler heads will prevail. The US Gov't tried to outlaw
alcohol at one point in history. Outlawing OSS would be impossible at
this point, not just because Uncle Sam uses it, but because you can't
enforce it.
>
>
> For example:
>
> This senario is very much like it was around 100 years ago,
> when cars were introduced to the USA, government was lobbied
> by the public to control high speed accidents, issue vehicle
> insurance, driver's licenses, for safer roads.
to protect innocent bystanders -- child porn is also illegal even on
your home computer.
>
> Has the liciensing, speed limits, and insurance stopped
> or eliminated accidents yet? You know the answer to that about
> your particular region, and if yoiu drive, I'm pretty sure
> you've seen you fair share of idiots to boot.
comparing oranges and gravel.
>
> I don't think so, but governments went ahead and did it anyway,
> because it can generate money for them in the long run.
>
> See this now?
no.
>
> End my example...
hope you can do better than that.
>
>
> So, nothing new here. Pretty soon, say within 3 to 10 years,
> there will be a Windows OS you can operate via a RAM card
> ( with a Ram size that of a DVD or better I presume), that
> can plug into a newer computer, and included on it
> all your personal, financial info, and anything else you
> can dream up, to verify whom you really are.
>
> Your own, portable OS, and your information, stored on a
> RAM CARD, to operate a computer appliance, to let you
> email, play games, chat, send video, play/store purchased music,
> make telephone calls, while permitting security people within
> the H.S. Division to review your email and your web habits,
> to see if your an unsavoury character or not.
alarmist -- won't happen.
>
>
> And LINUX, *BSD, and all the others? My guess is that they will
> be regulated to a home computer hobby product or banned
> altogether as 'UNSECURE' by MS standards.
you're frightening the children, but the adults here know Trolls don't
exist.
>
> Another Example:
>
>
> AOL dropped Netscape for 750 million USD. Microsoft bought it
> cheap. AOL and MS are now going to create a game, music and
> web business centre, pay for use. For music, something like
> what
> apple has done.
>
> The States claim of unfair practices went no-where. Microsoft,
> from what has been written recently, isn't even compling
> with the rules it was told to adhere to.
third time's a charm. Another few years and there'll be yet another
anti-trust lawsuit. That may finally push things over the edge.
>
> Every other state and governor in the USA will eventually adopt
> the MS OS as a standard Citizen product, and Linux for what it
> has evolved to, and how far it has to go, will be regulated
> to computer science institutions and museums.
not hardly
>
> I like Linux, and hate Microsoft Products. Unless Linux itself
> becomes more profitable, and more companies start adopting
> it, Linux becomes more expensive to keep around.
The Fortune 1000 companies (a large percentage of them anyway) adopting
Linux isn't enough for you?
>
> I hope I'm wrong. I'll be very happy if I am.
Sleep secure that this won't happen.
Ciao,
David A. Bandel
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