On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Tim Wunder wrote: > On 11/11/2004 8:54 AM, I believe that Net Llama! wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Collins Richey wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:29:50 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:41, James McDonald wrote: > >>> > >>>>What does it mean to be "left wing" or "right wing" has anyone got a non > >>>>satirical explanation. > >>> > >>>Sort of (*): > >>> > >>>left-wing = liberal = Democrat/Labour = progressive = 'for the worker' > >>> > >>>right-ring = conservative = Republican/Tory = reactionary = 'for the > >>>rich guy' > >>> > >>>(*) As you can see, this is a very sloppy way to describe things. But I > >>>think this is a 'classical' grouping of these terms. Life is not so > >>>neat. > >>> > >>> > >>>>I keep hearing these terms and because I am non-political have no idea > >>>>what they mean? > >>> > >>>I suspect many non non-political folk are in the same situation. > >>> > >> > >>It's a little deeper than that. The terms "for the worker" and "for > >>the rich guy" are purely stereotypes. The essential difference is > >>this. > >> > >>The leftist believes that government should play a big role in our > >>lives - providing benefits and controlling many aspects of our life > >>using any funds that can be ripped off from the rest of us (high > >>taxes). There is a strong preponderence of leftist thinking in large > >>metropolitan areas and in the universities where the proponents > >>believe that they know better than the rest of us by virtue of their > >>great intellect. Many of these same leftists believe in the communist > >>dictum that religion is the opiate of the people and that it should be > >>suppressed wherever you find it. Many of these same leftists believe > >>that patriotism is a relic of the past and that government should be > >>controled by international consortiums (e.g. the UN). > >> > >>The conservative believes that government should be restricted to the > >>roles designed in the constitution (small government), that the > >>individual is responsible for his own life, and that we know better > >>how to spend our money than the government does (low taxes). There is > >>a strong preponderence of conservative thinking in rural and suburban > >>areas. Many of the most religious people are conservatives, and some > >>of these also have the belief that they know better than the rest of > >>us. Most conservatives are patriots for there country and have no > >>desire to see their country under the control of international > >>consortiums. > >> > >>Needless to say, there are many gradations of thought in between these > >>two poles. In the US, at least, there has been a gradual shift over > >>the past decades toward conservative thinking and, at the same time, a > >>growth in the more radical fringes of the left and the right. > > > > > > Collins forget the footnote where he should have stated that he, himself, > > is a conservative, and hence his few of anyone who is not a conservative > > is heavily biased, and not quite accurate. > > > > Yet your view of conservatives is not biased? Why didn't you chastize Roger > for his biased explanation of left wing and right wing? His was equally, if > not more, biased than Collins'.
I never claimed thqat my view wasn't biased which is why i didn't even make an attempt at defining them. Roger's definition was equally flawed on both sides, so at least it balanced out, IMO. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lonni J Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com _______________________________________________ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsub/Pause/Etc -> http://mail.linux-sxs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/general
