Nicko,
Indeed, I am certain that all those involved appreciate your frankness. At this stage, in order to build a wider community, my advice to you would be actively seek ways in which to enlarge your committer base. On way to get there, is to grant committer status to those developers who show that they have got a clue. Note that I am not suggesting to get nonchalant about it, but only slightly less conservative. It boils down to keeping the clueless out and giving those who show promise a chance. Compare this with the HTTPD project which is reputed to grant comittership status only to those contributors who show consistent and real committment to the project, say for at least 6 months.
Regarding to jira/bugzilla or not to jira/bugzilla question, I believe that the decision regarding such a technical matter is best left to the people actually doing the work. I am fairly confident that the Board would sustain this view, if it ever came to that.
Keep in mind that there must be a convenient way for contributors to submit patches. The log4net@ lists apparently strip attachments; not your fault but mine. Having contributors post their patches at SF does not come through very well. You should consider completing your migration away from SourceForge. The mailing lists should be closed down, for example by refusing new posts and new subscriptions. Remove all file releases at SF. (Even under incubation, you can distribute a "snapshot" release here at Apache.) Close down the bug tracking system, the CVS repository, etc. In short, there should be nothing left at http://sourceforge.net/projects/log4net/ except pointers to http://l.a.o/log4net/.
Given that you have the formal backing of this PMC, I think we can submit our proposal to graduate log4net as soon as it becomes a no brainier case. I expect we can reach that stage by early next year.
At 10:20 PM 11/25/2004, Nicko Cadell wrote:
Regarding the Incubator exit criteria for log4net: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Ex it+Requirements
My only concern is with the requirement:
"The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there's at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project)"
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