Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion. > > Ugo Cei wrote:
<snip type="not_important"/> > > Using a CSS-based layout also means that people using 4th generation > > browsers (NS 4, IE 4, etc.) must be "protected" from such a > > stylesheet or they will see utter garbage. Hiding the CSS from them > > means that they won't be able to appreciate the layout, but will > > nonetheless be able to read the full *content*, just not very well > > styled. But come on, this is a site devoted to *developers* > > developing for the Web. Can you imagine a web developer today using > > ONLY NS4 or IE4? > > > > Incidentally, adopting a pure-CSS based solution for both layout AND > > styling means that people using: > > > > - text browsers > > - screen readers for the sight impaired > > - mobile devices > > - anything you cannot conceive now but that will be make web > > access available from your washing machine or whatever :) > > > > will be able to access the site contents without their "screen" or > > reader being cluttered with spurious markup that is not in any way > > related to the content they need. > > In other words, what I am proposing is that we stop worrying about > > being bacward compatible in order to accomodate old, buggy and > > non-compliant user agents, but instead start to be FORWARD > > compatible in order to accomodate FUTURE standard-compliant user > > agents. > > > > Let me know what you think about it and sorry for being slightly OT. > Moreover, this is a site dedicated to new technologies for the web and > a site dedicated to evangelize open standard compliance thru reference > implementations and cooperation. > > If we page a page on the 'about' section that talks about our reasons, > I think people might even appreciate our effort to both evangelize the > technology and 'put in practice' what we say. > > What do others think? (we must have a wide agreement to go forward on > this) Usually I always say KISS (keep it simple, sweetie) and "keep an eye for older and text browsers" to web designers. Particularly text browsers since I'm often working on *nix in text mode. Since the CSS-only design will work at least somehow on all these (which nested tables don't do) I'll give it a provisional +1 (though I'm not a committer but a regular guest on the site) When the new CSS-design is teady I'd like to test it in various browsers so I can find any difficulties. Just put it up somewhere on the web, ideally together with Stefano's Forrest proposal and the current xml.apache.org design for broad testing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I know of manager visiting the sites to verify we told them the truth > about open source, licensing, cool projects when we do evangelize OS > products to them. > > Those people are not on the edge of the technology (read use > IE6/NS6.2/Mozilla browsers). They have corporate PCs with the software > someone else has installed there and they usually are not able to > change that. > > I don't want to say we shouldn't go the CSS way, but we might not be > able in all cases to show our cool sites (in terms of technology used) > to the ones having something to say in companies where others here > like to bring in OS software. That's an important point! We want our software to be used by the corpararte world. I recommend going on with the CSS approach and then doing heavy testing and tweaking. If the outcome is "manager-approved" we go ahead, if not we'll conduct the real vote then when we have all the facts to decide on. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
