----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Robert Koberg wrote: > > > What if the apache powers granted some resources to (interesting) fledgling > > projects. For example cms could use: > > - discuss-cms - mailling list to shake out needs/requirements/resources/etc > > ----- currently using a yahoo group > > - CVS repository to hold text (XML) documents to describe the project > > ----- there is a place for group-docs on yahoo, but no CVS - maybe not a big > > deal??) > > ----- no code in this repository. > > - cms.apache.org as a place to advertise to the public > > No, even if I want this to happen, it will have to take *much* more > inertia than a ton of ideas and a yahoo group to bootstrap another > 'project' (read 'virtual host' not software effort) under Apache. makes perfect sense, thought it was worth a shot :) > > And no, Cocoon is no CMS, nor it will ever be (by itself, it's already > part of many). > > And no, Apache doesn't help bootstrap communities anymore: we don't have > the energy for this and there are tons of places (read sourceforge) > where it's easy and cheap to create new communities. I guess what I was looking for was a general-cms like general-xml (with a docroot and cvs :), not a particular project. On sourceforge: since we don't have a real 'project' (yet) just the understanding that we are coming together to clarify what a CMS is, what it should do, what it is not, etc., I don't think we can get put on there servers?? The main benefit is CVS for doc revs, but maybe we can work that out without a patron. > > Don't get me wrong: I'm not stating that this isn't the place for such a > thing to reside (hell, no, I want a decent XML-based CMS so bad!) but > that isn't the right place to 'start' it. understood > > we have no 'incubator' for new efforts because, otherwise, we'll have no > way to objectively judge the 'quality' of the ideas and the people's > spirit. > > So, either we accept everybody (and we dilute our brand and our quality, > becoming like sourceforge) or we choose based on personal judgement (and > people will get mad since we are humans and make mistakes!) > > So, how do you stay neutral and yet provide a good service and yet be > able to grow? > > Software Darwinism: if your ideas and your software (or mine, being an > ASF member doesn't change a bit!) are good enough to bloom in the wild > (and we have a clear definition of what 'bloom' means, see below), then > you are entitled to enter and share the place with what's already in... > this because we know that as much energy you'll earn from the Apache > vibisility, you'll give back multiplied by your effort. > > So, in order to be allowed you need: > > 1) at least two (jakarta is proposing to higher the level at three!) > active developers with diverse affiliation > 2) a working codebase (doesn't have to be perfect, but it must be > something that I can download and play with) > 3) an ASF members that sponsors the merging (and makes sure the > community gets well integrated with the right spirit). > > So, until you have those three (you can count for me on #3, but that's > as much as I can do), there is no way you can make it into the ASF. Excellent! Hopefully more people can participate over at the yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contentmanagementgroup/) and this thing can move through it's paces. best, -Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
