On 9/29/06, Bob Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 9/29/06, Bob Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > it's true from Duncan's perspective because that's the way it *feels* to
> > him. In the end that's just feel good rationalization and total
> bullshit.
>
> Ok, so now you are saying that Duncan's opinion is wrong.  You don't
> respect Duncan's opinion, but you expect us to respect yours?  I call
> hypocrite.

Nice strawman, I've never said, or implied that I didn't respect Duncan's
opinion. In fact just the opposite, I've specifically told him that I
believe he has thought a lot about this, and that I believe he is sincere.

Then I apologize.  I gathered that "total bullshit" was in reference
to Duncan's beliefs.

When was the last time that you personally submitted a *patch* for some open
source app/utility/driver?

Not really relevant to this discussion, but:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/39777
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/40207

Another example: It would take me a very long time to fix a problem with a
SCSI driver, compared to someone who works on SCSI drivers regularly. Would
*you* want to pay for the many extra hours of troubleshooting due to my
inexperience with <fill in blank> type of code?

Well the alsa patches above did take me dozens of hours to figure out.
Much of that was figuring out how the alsa driver worked, studying
the Intel HDA specification, and fiddling with own hardware.  So yes,
it can take an amazing amount of time.

The point is, anybody _can_ do it, if they are willing to invest the
time and effort into it.  It is very very much like learning a foreign
language.  I don't speak German...so I am totally dependant upon a
translator if I want to communicate with someone who speaks only
German.  But should I not be able to find a translator willing to work
for what I am willing to pay, I always have the option of learning to
speak German myself.

All code is not the same, and software engineers are not all
interchangeable.

Heh, try telling that to management at ${mycompany}! ;-P

-Richard
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