Sorry, it was supposed to be on list. I'm using webmail.
Until recently all replies were sent to the list without
fail. Recently, I 've had some sent to the poster and not
the list. I'll have to double check them now.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:16:38 +0900
Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please never ever reply to me off list.
On Friday 28 November 2003 22:57, brett holcomb wrote:
Because I've finally found a distro that works. I've
watched Unix mess up the desktop, been condemmed to use
Windows for years, used Linux and suffered the RPM mess.
I finally found Gentoo which is an almost perfect
distro.
It provides a large number of packages, is easy to
install, maintain, and upgrade and allows us choice in
what we want to run. And then people want to Debianize
Gentoo. Yes, they still do - that's not dead by any
means. It shows in some of the comments and in the
attitude of which "immoral licenses" was one I've
received
in this thread. It's an attitude that anyone who uses
non-free isn't worth consideration so let a third party
fill in the gaps or they can go elsewhere. Well, we
can't.
The free only can always go to Debian - we only can go
back to RPM distros! It appears choice is good as long
it's free-only.
While some people may have that attitude it never makes
its way into anything
that is released with Gentoo. Do you think this sort of
debate has never came
up before?
I have no problem with adding license handling being
modified so that all of us can build systems as we
desire
and that allow us to do our jobs. I do have a problem
with Gentoo being changed so that we who use non-free
software have to make the changes - why should we. If
someone is that hot to have it change let them make the
changes to their make.conf or whatever file. Yes, even
having to do that change may be a small item but the
camel's nose appeared small when he first shoved it
under
the tent. I've said more than I should so I'll just
watch and see what happens.
Most new Linux users assume that everything associated
with Linux is free. The
only reason I can see to have a default of "free-only"
licenses is to make
sure those users are aware of the agreement under which
they're using the
software. As well as that, many users who use "non-free"
software (myself
included) are interested in the terms under which they
are using it. Your
opinion doesn't sound so much like the free vs. non-free;
it sounds like
those who care about licensing vs. those who don't.
The addition of licensing to Gentoo is in no way related
to the free vs.
non-free debate; only the defaults is. When the defaults
are decided it won't
be by a vote on free vs. non-free; it will be decided
with valid reasoning as
in the above. Until there is (at least some) concensus on
that reasoning, the
decision will not be finalised.
Jason
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