On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 16:30 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > Repoman doesn't even work in gentoo-x86/eclass, thanks for playing.
> > Thanks for not listening, moron.
> 
> Ahh, yes.  Allow me to show you other developers this.  This is the
> point where the argument breaks down.  The opposing side in the debate
> has no positive answer, so instead has turned to personal attack.  You
> just have to love acts of desperation.

Look:
Me and Daniel have been insulted and called different not-so-nice things
by you, Stuart and Ciaran. Our arguments have been ignored or refuted
using orthogonal examples (e.g. touching a completely different
problem). 

This is the second try to get a discussion, and it has been burninated
like the first one. After about 250 emails, it is getting really
tiresome.

And you expect me to continue writing in an emotionally neutral style?

> > Erm. eh ... that's not the point
> 
> It was my point.
> 
But not mine.
;-)

> > But at the moment we have a standoff where nothing moves.
> > Once something has happened, there's a small chance of it not being
> > undone, which is a lot larger than nothing at all.
> 
> Actually, at this point, I would say there is a very large chance of it
> being undone, seeing as how you've tipped your hand, if this was your
> intention, and I know that at least I will be on the lookout for these
> changes in the tree.  Make no mistake, I will revert this crap up until
> it has been approved by the managers.

Hehe. Did I scare you?
Personally I don't care that much for a forced solution. If I can avoid
it, I won't touch cvs. I'm just saying that other developers have done
this to avoid all this tiresome blahblah and just "get it done"(tm)

I don't want to impose my ideas on others, but if you try the same to
me, don't expect me to roll over and purr. 

> > *cough* MacOS *cough*
> 
> Oh, you mean the rest of the developers having to go behind a few new
> developers that made a large number of mistakes and fixing tons of
> ebuilds which they had touched?
Well ... how long would it have taken otherwise to get _anything_ done?
Would it have been accepted?
(I know, what happened has happened and can't be changed. What-ifs are
meaningless)

> If that is your intention, to cause the rest of us to have to clean up
> after you, then I wonder why you bother remaining a developer.
If it is your intention to undo whatever I try to do, I wonder why I invest
time into something where I see so much potential.

I'll continue to work on Gentoo, but don't expect me to _discuss_ much.
I'll just show you the results.
 
> Actually, I seem to remember quite a bit of work being reversed, and
> developers being taught why certain actions were bad, and everyone
> growing and learning from it,
*everyone* ... what a nice word
>  not some subversive tactics to try to put
> in place a technically inferior solution to a non-problem which has not
> only not been accepted, but has been rejected by several developers
> citing examples of why it won't work.
So because my first pass at trying to fix it had flaws, it's not worth fixing?

> The MacOS developers at the time made a mistake due to their
> inexperience with Gentoo.

> You would be directly performing premeditated actions to do damage.  If
> that isn't enough to have a developer's status questioned, then I don't
> know what is.
No I don't.
As I said, if I can avoid touching cvs, I won't. If you revert anything
I do, your status as developer should also be questioned.

Enjoy & don't get paranoid,

Patrick

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