Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:19:52 +0000 George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
What on earth is going to be a "major visible improvement" to a
command line based package manager that any average Gentoo user is
going to realise? The average user probably only uses a few commands:
emerge -u/p/a/v/--sync/package/world/system and then use
package.keywords/mask/unmask so there are really no fundamental
differences that the average user will notice
If you think that that's all a package manager should do, you have a
serious lack of imagination. Most users need or would heavily benefit
from far more. See http://ciaranm.org/show_post/95 for some modest
ideas that have turned out to be useful.
All well and good (and I agree that those would be nice) but none that
today's average Gentoo user is going to notice as a "major visible
improvement". --depclean has improved dramatically so the --uninstall
will be just another way of doing it.
And that really means that portage is no easier/harder than it was 3
years ago when USE="~x86" emerge foo was consigned to the dustbin
Except that now users have to deal with more like a thousand installed
packages, and have no sane way of doing simple things like:
* Unmasking everything needed to get a particular KDE release in one go
great for power users and devs but again, the average user will see no
improvement
* Uninstalling a package along with its now-unused dependencies
* Uninstalling a package along with everything depending upon it
Yup, i agree with you there, --depclean seem to be mostly working
properly so that is not so much of a problem but --uninstall-with-deps
would be great
Sunrise is the canonical example. Also consider the way the forums
are being run (like it or not, the forums are taken by many to be
representative of Gentoo's user base)...
It seems to most that the forums is the only part of Gentoo that is -
and always has been - running smoothly
Smoothly is not productively or effectively.
But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look how fast they
ban the troublemakers and trolls. Maybe they should control the lists...?
Methinks you should "sheath your swords for lack of argument" on this
one (Henry V - Act 3 Scene 1)
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