On 3/2/08, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/2/08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think > > it's worth trying requesting it at least. > > > > In the past two years we had quite a few applications from students that > > were already full-fledged Gentoo developers. I sincerely would like that > > this year we put as a rule that Gentoo developers cannot partecipate in > > Summer of Code as students for Gentoo. > > > > I'm not asking to penalise Gentoo developers are students. But I > > sincerely think the main goal of Summer of Code is to allow new people > > to enter the scene of Free Software, to understand how Free Software > > projects work and so on. Gentoo Developers are already pretty well > > "inside" this world. > > > OK > > > > > > I think it should be a self-made decision to abstain from applying as a > > student for what you already partecipate in, but as such concerns don't > > seem to be widespread (at least as the last two years shown), I'm asking > > for a formal decision to all the developers. If that is requested, I'm > > even willing to bring this in front of the council. > > > The summer of code faq specifically addresses this question; so > obviously it was a concern and they dealt with it.
Brian suggested I add a link, so ;) http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_already_opensource > > > > > > Gentoo's ranks are quite reduced nowadays, and a few persons have shown > > conerns about our current recruiting methods being able to judge clearly > > technical and social skills, as well as the time one is ready to pour > > into the project. I think SoC could be used as a pretty good recruiting > > method: as you are going to work quite a bit with the student, you can > > easily judge availability and technical and social skills. Leaving SoC > > applications open to developers means wasting this opportunity. > > > OK > > > > > > There are many other organisations partecipating, I think it would be > > quite feasible for Gentoo developers wanting to be a student SoC to > > choose another one, in which they are not involved already. Yes it's > > easier for them to do something for Gentoo as they are already > > contributing, but that is not the point of Summer of Code, the point is > > to introduce new people into projects, not giving money to people to do > > what they already do. > > > Your entire argument is based on the assumption that the Summer of > Code program's primary goal is to recruit new developers for Open > Source projects. While this is one goal I am unsure if holding it > above the others is necessary. > > > > > > And just to take a stance, even if this request is to be rejected, I'm > > not going to mentor a student that is already a Gentoo developer, for > > sure. > > > Your choice, as I badly wrote in the guide[1], mentors must be williing. > > > > > > So to be clear, I'm not trying to look down to anybody, I don't even > > want to stop people from being paid for their work. I just wish that we > > can focus this opportunity to improve the Gentoo project as a whole. > > > I disagree and I will mentor anyone who meets Google's submission > requirements and who writes a good proposal. > > -Alec > > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/soc/mentoring.xml > -- [email protected] mailing list
