Lukasz Damentko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Fair enough. Let me wrap up the IRC part. > > 1. I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our > developer being banned from Freenode without providing us with a > reason. The situation looks like one of Freenode staffers overreacted > over something Chris said during previous Council meeting and banned > him to prevent him from attending next meetings when he was supposed > to provide more information on the CoC topic. The ban was removed > after an hour, but they still refuse to provide us with reasons for it > which looks like (mostly because we weren't shown any sane > justification for the ban) a cover up operation. It would be good if > Council officially protested against that ban and demanded a detailed > explanation from Freenode staff.
Due to their privacy policy I don't think we'll ever be able to get adequate explanations from Freenode staff when our devs are banned. > 2. I want Council to consider moving their meetings somewhere where > third parties can't control who in Gentoo can attend and who can't. > Like our own small and created just for this purpose IRC server. A > situation when a third party may disallow our developer from attending > a meeting without even telling us why isn't the healthiest one. We > should be independent from such decisions of third parties so they > can't politically influence Council decisions by removing people who > are inconvenient for them. Now when it (most probably) happened once, > we have no other choice but to believe it's possible it will happen > again. If for some reason a developer was unable to attend a meeting due to being klined or the internet being FUBAR'd, I know that I have my IM details available in LDAP for that dev to be able to contact me, or they could send the entire council an email. I don't think setting up our own IRC server is worth the trouble for this small purpose. > 3. I want Council to consider creating and using irc.gentoo.org alias > instead of irc.freenode.net in our docs, news items and so on. The > alias would allow us to move out of the network more easily should we > ever decide to do so. Debian did exactly the same a couple of months > ago prior to them moving out to OFTC > (http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604) so maybe it would be a > good idea to have this for Gentoo too. Infra (Shyam Mani) say it isn't > a problem at all to create and maintain it, we in fact already have > something like this pointing at Freenode, it would be just a question > of updating that alias and updating our docs with it. It would > increase our independence from Freenode and make future network > switching much easier should we ever decide it's time to part our ways > with our current IRC service provider. I like this idea. spb rose some concerns in the meeting with regards to some users thinking that if they came onto irc.gentoo.org and joined #java that it would be a Gentoo java channel, but it doesn't seem like Freenode considers this to be much of a problem. For evidence of this: http://freenode.net/acknowledgements.shtml They thank projects for pointing their domains to them, so I believe that the network as a whole shouldn't have a problem with this. If someone thinks I'm misunderstanding what they mean on that page, please let me know. Thanks, -- Mark Loeser email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com web - http://www.halcy0n.com
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