On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:34:01 +0800 Ben de Groot <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> > >> > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, > >> > but is there really no better default that we can use? > >> > >> > Without any default locale set, in practically all cases that > >> > means that the user is presented with English, and mostly the > >> > American variant. So, in practice, we are defaulting to en_US, > >> > just not in a unicode environment. Correct me if I'm wrong. > >> > >> See below. We're not defaulting to en_US for things like the number > >> format. > >> > >> > Also, in most other places (such as our website, GLEPs, ebuilds) > >> > we default to en_US.UTF-8. > >> > >> > So let's upgrade to en_US.UTF-8, which is for most users more > >> > desirable than the current situation. Of course we will still > >> > advise them to set their desired locales in /etc/locale.gen. But > >> > at least they will start with a unicode environment, as expected > >> > anno 2012. > >> > >> As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US > >> locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as thousands > >> separators in numbers (because of LC_NUMERIC). Also the defaults of > >> en_US for LC_MEASUREMENT and LC_PAPER are only useful in the U.S. > >> > >> So if we change the default (but I still don't see the need), we > >> should go for a less intrusive setting like: > >> > >> LANG="POSIX" > >> LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" > >> > >> Ulrich > >> > > > > You're concerned about the commas breaking things? Given that you > > usually need to specifically ask for them (i.e., printf ' flag), > > and that kind of output is usually going to be for human > > consumption only that seems unlikely. If anything does rely upon > > the format, can't tolerate different locales, and fails to specify > > LC_NUMERIC then it's broken anyway. > > > > LC_MONETARY / LC_MEASUREMENT as en_US are probably slightly more > > annoying defaults for some people. What do users of other distros > > think? Is this really a serious problem for anyone? > > > > LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 would be a bare minimum. The important bit is > > getting utf8 by default. I can live with LANG=POSIX. > > -- > > Dan Douglas > > How about the below? > > LANG=en_GB.utf8 > LC_COLLATE=C > LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf8 > > That will give us A4 paper size and the metric system. If LC_NUMERIC > is really a problem, we can set it to something more desirable. LC_NUMERIC=pl_PL.utf8 -- Best regards, Michał Górny
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