On 18.11.2012 08:57, Greg KH wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02:19PM -0800, Alec Warner wrote: >> 1) systemd-udev will require systemd. Stated by the systemd >> maintainers themselves as a thing they want to do in the future. Some >> users don't want to use systemd. We could go into detail as to why; >> but I think that is not as important as one may think. The point is >> that the desire is there, and thusly there are users who want to make >> other systems (namely openrc) work. >> >> People like openrc. My VMs for instance, boot reasonably quickly. >> Booting 5 seconds faster may be super duper, but not at the cost of an >> existing reliable solution. > > So is this the goal? Great, someone say that then, that's all I'm > asking for here. > >>> That's wonderful, seriously. But why is this suddenly an official >>> Gentoo project? When did that happen, and why? Why not just do a >>> "normal" project and if it matures and is good enough, then add it to >>> the distro like all other packages are added. >>> >>> My main point here is the fact that this is now being seen as an act by >>> Gentoo, the distro / foundation. And that happened in private, without >>> any anouncement. Which is not good on many levels. >> >> I'm unsure on what grounds you disapprove. People start (and abandon) >> projects often in Gentoo. Suddenly you dislike one such project and >> object to this practice? Certainly if we had to get some sort of >> Foundation consensus (for anything) nothing would happen. We can't >> even get more than 40% of foundation members to vote. > > I object if this is seen as a "Gentoo blessed" fork of a community > project that is worked on by all other major Linux distros. That is the > type of decision that can be made by the Gentoo Council, which is fine, > but it sure would be nice if it were publicly stated, instead of having > to see it on the Gentoo github site instead.
Hi, I've seen this argument being repeated all over this thread and I'd like to clarify: http://github.com/gentoo (nor it's bitbucket.org counterpart) was never meant to host "Gentoo blessed" forks/projects and it *doesn't*. Sole purpose of it, was to encourage more contribution from users using web goodies like "click a button to fork", since most of the people are very comfortable with github's workflow. We (gentoo-science team) have seen significant increase of interest since we've started using github. Cheers, Kacper P.s. Just to emphasise it even more: There's a pornview fork there too. I don't recall Gentoo Council acknowledging it as default imageviewer. We should definitely put it into agenda. </reductio ad absurdum> > And if that is the decision of the council, I would expect the ability > to have some type of discussion about it, wouldn't you? > > Also, the whole issue with the copyrights is very serious, for the > reasons I've stated before. Don't mess with copyrights, developers, and > companies, take them very serious, as they are the basis for our > licenses. > > thanks, > > greg k-h >
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