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On 23/11/12 10:00 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Ian Stakenvicius schrieb:
>> On 23/11/12 09:32 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
>>> Ian Stakenvicius schrieb:
>>>> On 22/11/12 11:22 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:22:10PM -0600, Donnie Berkholz 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11:11 Sun 18 Nov     , Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a list of every package where I'm a maintainer
>>>>>>> and there is no herd listed (but their might be other 
>>>>>>> maintainers):
>>>>> I didn't say I was dropping any of the packages, merely
>>>>> making an explicit list of packages I maintain, that other
>>>>> developers are welcome to touch - if they want to take them
>>>>> over explicitly, that would be great too.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ..  For certain things, I think it would be very beneficial
>>>> for this to be true (other dev's welcome to touch) across the
>>>> tree. Maybe if there is enough general support for it, we
>>>> should change our default of "never touch a maintainer's
>>>> package without permission of the maintainer/herd", to "OK to
>>>> touch unless package metadata explicitly requests not to"
>>>> ...?  And we can put a tag in the metadata to indicate this
>>>> (or even to indicate what other dev's can and can't touch --
>>>> ie, can touch *DEPEND, can bump EAPI, cannot add features,
>>>> cannot bump)?
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>> What certain things do you have in mind? In wich situation do
>>> you see a simple "May i touch the package?/ok for this patch?"
>>> as too much to do before touching a package?
>> 
>> 
>> This works, and when, say, myself and the other dev are on irc
>> it's very quick, but then if I don't write it down or communicate
>> it to my other couterparts in the herd this permission gets lost
>> in the shuffle.  I'm just suggesting that if we put it in the
>> metadata then it'll be easier to track.
> 
> You can already add a comment in the ebuild or metadata.xml to 
> explicitly allow everyone to touch it, so there is nothing needed
> to allow you or anyone else interested in it doing this now.
> 
> Just reverting this default probably wont happen, since it just
> means additional work and issues without any real benefit (like
> mass commits to add the notes, missed additions and others touched
> the package and other problems).
> 
On 23/11/12 10:10 AM, hasufell wrote:
> I tend to agree with tommy. It's also difficult to reflect your
> attitude regarding your ebuilds being touched, cause it may differ
> depending on the subject of the change and who makes the change. So
> in the end it may boil down to a conversation anyway.
> 
> For things like your subslot example I am wondering if it could be 
> possible to do a dev-announce that packages will be touched by a
> group of devs, cause of important migration and that maintainers
> who don't feel comfortable with that can require a bug/patch.
> 
> While waiting for answers a few weeks you have the time to test
> that stuff in an overlay instead of reporting tons of bugs.


All good points.  Anyone else care to weigh in or does this seem to be
the consensus of everybody?
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