On 08/07/2013 10:16 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Also, I think we should stop spending a lot of time trying to keep it > working with openrc, we simply don't have resources to do that at the > moment (even Debian/Ubuntu people are stick with systemd-204 because > they don't have resources to keep logind working without systemd in > newer versions). Now, we are needing to put a lot of effort on trying to > provide unit files and provide systemd related fixes in the tree because > we haven't (in general) pay attention to systemd at all => I think we > should put more efforts on it than trying to work on hacks to prevent > systemd dependency.
I agree that there's no point in hacking software that voluntarily ties itself to systemd to *not* be tied to it, but dependency on any single init system is a bad idea. There are multiple kernels, multiple libc's, multiple device management layers, multiple inits, etc. Preventing dependency on certain things is a good way to enforce software diversity. Granted, in systemd's case Gentoo's not the place to do it. It's the upstreams that should be convinced or told not to depend on a single init system. Forgive me if my interpretation is wrong; it just seemed to me that you were all for vertical integration (systemd dependency as a whole) and the systemd creep is one of the reasons I came to Gentoo. I'd hate to see developers abandoning their work on OpenRC or other Gentoo projects to embrace the Red Hat campaign.
