-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/13 11:38, Samuli Suominen wrote: > i'm not volunteering but I never really got why our GNOME > maintainers insisted on staying with it instead of going with the > distribution after it was clear logind is a dead end on non-systemd > systemd
Ok, So there's lots of people that don't want systemd. Can't we group together and have some kind of an affect on upstream? Upstream appears to be suffering the same split we found with portage, in that the specification that people are working to is in fact the only implementation (as least, that's how I read the fact that a separate logind which follows the specification will no longer work without systemd explicitly?). We now have paludis, pkgcore and the PMS. Is there some way, we as the Gentoo Foundation, Developers or even just Users can form a petition, or an open letter, that might make enough impact on the Gnome foundation for them to reconsider their position? Perhaps if there were an "init system specification" project, separate from systemd, that systemd had to adhere to rather than deciding to change the rules at a random version (like 205), then Gnome could potentially have other options than just systemd? Does anyone know how Gnome is dealing with being run under non-linux systems given the new systemd hard dependency? Is it simply not shutting down, etc? Can we introduce a similar build capability so that people can have a "non-full" Gnome installation that still includes most of the apps? Either way, bickering amongst ourselves won't have any effect, fighting against upstream's changes seems similarly futile (they have no reason to improve the situation if we're happy to do the extra work when things are bad), so the best chance we have is communicating with upstream and asking them to reconsider. That's not guaranteed to work, but focusing our efforts on that, rather than lengthy arguments about time-intensive Gentoo solutions seems like a better option... Mike 5:) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlIEAiAACgkQu7rWomwgFXpYUgCgk+XJynbo4MCRcFlqHrYtDgyV U+UAnAnn6tnrYYx/3ptOU7EGJF0efCyu =R4BF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
