Tom Wijsman posted on Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:47:48 +0200 as excerpted: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:37:17 +0000 hasufell <hasuf...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> afaiu dynamic deps are broken and not defined in PMS > > It goes a step further than that! > > The PMS imposes certain limits on dependencies; it states that DEPEND > must be present before executing src_* phases, that RDEPEND must be > present before treating the results as usable and that PDEPEND must be > done before finishing the batch of installs. > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~ulm/pms/5/pms.html#x1-750008.1 > > If you attempt to fit in dynamic dependencies in that specification; the > src_* phases could never run, the results can never be considered usable > and the batch of installs can never finish.
How long have dynamic-deps been around? Since EAPI-0? Because if so, that interpretation must be incorrect, since EAPI-0 was defined as portage behavior at the time, and AFAIK, no EAPI since then has been approved without a working portage implementation. In the context of dynamic-deps I'd interpret the above to mean within a single portage session. What happens some sessions later when an ebuild's deps are dynamic-updated after a tree sync is an entirely new session, and unless I'm missing something, the above PMS requirements can be met within a single session with dynamic-deps. >> still... people seem to fix deps without revbumping, causing users who >> either don't use dynamic deps (it's optional for portage through >> --dynamic-deps=y, although it's on by default) or who use a different >> PM to not get the fix, at worst resulting in broken dependency >> calculation > > Why do we have a PMS if we don't take into account other PMs? > > Is Gentoo still a meta distribution? How does the Portage tree portage? This remains a valid question. (FWIW, after some cleanup I set dynamic-deps=n in defaultopts, and did my last update, about nine days after my last sync and update, without dynamic-deps. We'll see how it goes longer term. Tho I guess people like me who have been running --newuse --deep for ages are half-way-there already.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
