On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Anthony G. Basile <bluen...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > what does in-house tool mean? i'm a gentoo developer but i also work > on an upstream project (eudev) that 14 distros use. > > some of the criticism given here are my concerns as well and i've > spoken with the various distros --- slack, parted magic, puppy. they > get what's going on and they still see eudev is the best way forward > for now. it may not be in the future, but neither will a udev > extracted from a compiled full systemd codebase.
How many of those 14 distros have more than 14 users? Look, I get it, some people don't like systemd. That's fine. However, you have to realize at this point that a non-systemd configuration is anything but mainstream. There will always be a "poppyseed linux" whose purpose in life seems to be to preserve linux without sysfs or some other obscure practice. I just think that Gentoo should offer the choice to do those things, but have a more mainstream set of defaults. > > it needs to be in the new stage4s to make a bootable system. imo a > stage4 should be bootable modulo a kernel. > Sure, a stage4 based on systemd makes a lot of sense. I don't really see the point in leaving a kernel out though - I'd even stick a precompiled one in /boot on top of having the sources installed. Why not make a stage4 install something that takes all of 5 minutes? I think that offering an eudev-based distro as a default just doesn't make sense in 2016. I just think the better road to take is to start treating virtual/udev as something that gets installed post-stage3. We can't even get people to agree on vi vs emacs as a default. When these sorts of debates come up it seems like: 1. People express their preference. 2. People get offended when others express a different preference. 3. People say "it's just a default" as if that is a reason that others shouldn't object to their own preference. -- Rich
