On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sebastian Beßler > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Am 15.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler > >> > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Am 15.09.2011 16:57, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > >>>> with an initramfs you will be able to do anything, so it will make > >>>> no > >>>> sense to keep supporting initramfs-less systems. > >>> > >>> With "Microsoft Windows" you will be able to do anything, so it will > >>> make no sense to keep supporting "Microsoft Windows"-less systems. > >> > >> Irrelevant: see the name on the list? It's called Gentoo Linux. I know > >> you are trying to be witty, but only shows you are comparing apples > >> and oranges. > > > > No, because first it was sarcasm and second it shows that your argument > > is invalid. For near to every X there is some Y that can do what X can > > do, but there are still many good and valid reasons to have X. So it > > will make sense to keep supporting Y-less systems. > > And you conveniently skipped my answer to your last two examples. No > problem, here it goes again: > > "Last time I checked, neither GNOME nor Emacs demanded that Gentoo > developers or users had to write a fork/replacement for a core > component of the system. GNOME and Emacs just need ebuilds and > adapting their configuration to Gentoo-isms. Testing and bug > reporting, as usual. The only code needed is some small patches for > both and around 200 lines of emacslisp for site-gentoo.el."
Funny that you mention this. There might be something similar brewing for users of Gnome where quite a few low-level parts will end up being mandatory for Gnome: "...but I'm increasingly seeing talk on the gnome side of the "Gnome OS", to include pulse-audio, systemd, policykit, udev/u* (thus forcing lvm as well, at least lvm installation tho nothing forces one to use it... yet, since lvm is required for udisks), etc." It's a reply in the gentoo-dev thread I started. Requiring pulse-audio and policykit, I can understand. But requiring a specific init-system for the desktop seems a bit overkill. I'm not a gnome user and am happy with my KDE-desktop. But the same post also mentions KDE seems to be headed in a similar direction. Just slower. Mind you, I do think systemd is nice and usefull on a desktop machine, but I don't see much need for this on a server where the sysadmins generally prefer to have a much more detailed control of what is happening. Then again, I don't feel Gnome or KDE have any reason to be installed on a server, but that's just how I see it. -- Joost
