On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Neil Bothwick wrote:

> > Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is
> > directly supported by the kernel.

> Whichever.  Same shoes, different color is all.

Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is
not true.

> > Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an init*.

> Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install.  Heck, I got
> Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the hard
> drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too.  I installed
> Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't have issues. 
> Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME.  If it did break,
> reinstall and go back to surfing.  It fails on Gentoo, I'm stuck.  I'm
> installing something and it won't be spending a good day to two days
> installing Gentoo.

Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can
always hit reset then select the old one from the GRUB menu -
reinstallation doesn't come into it.

> It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff.  I don't mind new
> stuff.  I use new stuff quite often.  I just don't like using stuff that
> breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then turn right
> around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me.

Except it's not the same. How long ago did you switch? You've been around
here for a while, I suspect your Mandrake experience with with a 2.4
kernel, which didn't have initramfs available, and initrd. The 2.6
kernel's initramfs was developed to address the problems with initrds.

This isn't even as close as comparing apples and oranges.


> I'm sure I can find something that
> will boot in somewhat short order.  Question is, what will it be?

vmlinuz.old :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Power outage at a department store yesterday, Twenty people were
trapped on the escalators.

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