On 24/10/2013 17:26, James wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
>> I now officially need new spectacles. I read -march=amdfam10 and my
>> eyeballs told my brain it was "arm"
>> <sigh>
> 
> As an old fart, to a fledgling old-fart; 

Now we can have a willy-waving contest!

I bet I'm an older fart than you are! nya-nya-nya-naaaaaa! <sung to the
tune of a teasing 6 year old)

its because ARM is taking over
> the world, that your brain performed this superposition transformation. Your
> glasses are most likely fine. You subconcience is smarter than your
> waking (carnal?) consience. Trust the force, luke......

Nah, the specs need replacing. There are some funky tri-focal jobs that
distort my depth vision, and I have to turn my head straight to look at
anything (no more looking out of the corner of my eyes). Makes
motorcycle riding a real pain

>> Please ignore this entire sub-thread 
> 
> The fact of the matter is this. If I knew back then, what I know
> now, I would not even fart around with x86* architectures on keen
> issues of minimization. There is so much going on with ARM.
> Minimization is about low power. The paradigm shift to low
> power (the lowest heat) allows for for the greatest transistor
> concentration ==> smallest size.  ARM has beaten them all, AMD
> sees the light and is working on a myriad of hybrid SOCs, design
> specifically for tight target implementations. Samsung is killing
> the world, with ARM and open source linux. 

I'm waiting for our approved hardware suppliers to come out with a range
of 1U pizza box ARM servers that management will buy into. But first
they need to lose the idea that virtualization is the go-fast solution
for anything.

Almost every single machine I run except the database servers will fly
along on ARM. I'm especially eager to see what ARM does with high
traffic DNS caches. Intuition tells me they will handle 20,000
queries/sec without breaking a sweat and the Gig ethernet will max out
long before the cpu does; all at 1/4 of the price

> 
> 
> Still, to get a taste for minimization, there is nothing like
> old (Gentoo) i586 and i486 sources and the 2.series of kernels
> to see just how small you can get (sub 1 Mbyte.....?).
> I've heard of kernels around 100Kb, in the old days.
> 
> These kernels FLY! but may not do all you eventually need....
> TLS and such make it an infinite soup of trial and testing.
> 
> hth,
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 


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