On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: > On 2014-02-20 10:55 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> while I agree with most everything you said, your primary point - >>> that it should be the people who *don't* want systemd doing all of >>> the work - was backwards, and that was what I wanted to point out. > > >> I still believe that a non-systemd profile should be done by the >> people not wanting to use systemd. But since I now support the systemd >> profile (since it's trivial) the point is moot. > > > <snip> > > >>> Bottom line: since Gentoo's default and primary init system is (and >>> hopefully will be for a very long time) OpenRC, it is on the systemd >>> folks >>> to do the work to get systemd fully supported. > > >> Which has been the case up until now. > > > As you have freely admitted that OpenRC being the default init system for > gentoo is unlikely to change anytime soon, I'm at a loss as to how you can > justify your first comment above? Your comment would only make sense if > systemd was made the default init system.
OK, I think I get the misunderstanding. This is how I saw the discussion: 1. Some people started to say that systemd should go on its own profile. The people saying that DID NOT wanted to use systemd. 2. I thought that the people using systemd were not interested in making a systemd profile (I was wrong, the profile basically already exists). 3. Since you cannot FORCE no one to work on something, then the burden of work of this systemd profile would have landed on the people NOT WANTING to use systemd. To me, this does not make sense. 4. When someone (don't remember whom) proposed a systemd-sucks profile, I thought that was perfect, because the burden of work then would have landed on the people that want this profile. I even volunteered to help. 5. The moment I saw that the profile is already done, I changed my mind; the people using systemd ALREADY did the work (which seems to be trivial, BTW; I didn't knew that either), therefore no one is trying forcing anyone to do work, then a systemd profile is fine (since it's already done). This is orthogonal to which init system is the default, I think. I was just arguing that if a group A of people want a profile X, that group A of people must do the work to get said profile X working. In the case of systemd, that means *using* systemd, so it made no sense to me that the group A did the work, when they *do not* want to use systemd. Once again, all of this is made moot by the fact that the systemd profile is basically available now. But that does not change my point that if someone wants a X profile, then the burden of work must fall on that someone. Clear now? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
