On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 11:32:00 +0300 Gevisz <gev...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:38:34 +0300 > Samuli Suominen <ssuomi...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > On 03/06/14 14:30, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > Sounds like Samuli is being a pr*ck by forcing systemd on everyone > > > now. A proper solution would have been to have the upower ebuild > > > select systemd as a dependency ONLY when the systemd useflag is > > > set. And depend on upower-pm-utils when it is not set. -- Joost > > > > First of all, you should check your tone and secondly, you are > > clearly not understanding the situation as you are oversimplifying > > a complex situation. > > For example, Xfce works on non-systemd systems with any of these > > UPower versions, so forcing upower-pm-utils with USE="-systemd" > > would simply be bogus. > > It is simply not true. I use xfce and still I could not update my > world just because some systemd-dependent guys think that they can > force everybody else to use it.
Please try to understand the situation before blaming any parties; systemd-dependent guys haven't even been involved in all of this, so, I'm not sure how you can perceive this as a matter of force by them. It is a logical consequence of pm-utils' end-of-development life cycle. > > If you are looking for a system that decides everything for you, and > > doesn't give you options what to install, you are propably better > > off using some binary distribution with smaller set of > > possibilities. > > I look for the system that can clearly update itself, not trying to > sell me something that I do not need after I have clearly decided for > the default package before. The system is selling you a choice; pick one or the other, it's not a "merge systemd" but rather a "block systemd against the other choice". The system cannot merge something until you make that choice; if you are looking for a distribution that can update itself, Gentoo might not be the right distribution for you as it is all about providing choice. Compare this to other distributions which make the choices for you; interesting to note, a lot of those distributions picked systemd, instead of it being forced Gentoo actually blocks it for you to choose. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D
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