On Wednesday 08 Mar 2017 14:08:00 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Mick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well what do you know?! Alternative to monolithic stack solutions now > > exist as alternatives for other distros too: > > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/archopenrc/ > > > > PS. I do not wish to kick off a flame war on this topic, enough electrons > > have been wasted in past rants. Just to inform those who may be > > interested in this. > > Interesting. It looks like they bundle all their openrc scripts in > the openrc package. I was curious about this since the right place to > put scripts is one of those things that tends to come up in debate. > > In Gentoo openrc, systemd, and anything else keep their scripts in the > packages they go with. > > Pros: > - You don't end up with scripts for packages you don't use. > - The openrc/systemd/runit/upstart/etc packages don't get bumped 3 > times per week when any script changes anywhere (IMO the biggest > driver) > - If upstream provides the scripts (common for systemd, less so for > openrc but it may happen) then make install can take care of them > > Cons: > - You do end up with scripts for service managers you don't use > (assuming you don't mask them). > - Individual package maintainers have to be at least somewhat > concerned with these scripts even if they don't use the service > manager they apply to. > > I think the Gentoo way is better because of the elimination of bumps. > However, Arch is much more strongly in the systemd camp (as I > understand it), so I suspect there would be more resistance there to > maintaining openrc scripts inside individual packages. So, openrc > ended up having to bundle them all in one package. The Gentoo > approach took a Council decision as some package maintainers objected > to the inclusion of systemd units. Other than the initial debate IMO > it has gone smoothly since. > > And a parting bit of trivia: The overwhelming majority of > Gentoo-based installations use upstart as their service manager, > despite it not even being in the Gentoo repository.
Ha! I didn't know this. I thought upstart was a *buntu feature only. Yes, the gentoo way of package-provided openrc scripts makes more sense to me too, especially for gentoo where no two systems are alike. On binary distros it may be easier for repos to provide a big openrc package with all their scripts bundled in there, but if you want to deviate from the vanilla distro then you're on your own. -- Regards, Mick
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