On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 21:00:45 -0500, [email protected] wrote: > On 12/10/2018 05:54 PM, Dale wrote: > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I > >>>> wouldn't trust Western European countries either. > >>> USA is currently the best option since there have never been proven > >>> backdoors in made in usa hardware but plenty in chinese made hardware > >>> such as the recent motherboard hack chip scandal. > >> So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their back > >> doors? > >> Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems made in > >> China, so the chances of a backdoor being discovered is higher. > >> Either way, lack of evidence of insecurity is not proof of security. > So tell us what is your perfect country for hardware manufacturing? > Name one other country on earth besides america where you can say no to > a governmental request for a backdoor in your hardware or software > products and not end up in prison. Germany. Whether that is the case or not in the USA is very doubtful. Apple recently had to fight hard against such a demand, but the authorities backed down without the principle being decided upon. > The amd bulldozer and piledriver CPU's like the FX-8350 and its opteron > counterparts are made in germany (the packaging is done in china but at > that point afaik there isn't much that can be done to fuck with it) but > that still wouldn't satisfy you since germany doesn't have anything like > the constitution - they have no freedom of speech. Er, steady on, PLEASE! Germany HAS a constitution, and freedom of speech is a prominent part of that. It is backed up by the constitutional court at Karlsruhe, which is known for ruling against authorities' powers relatively frequently. What's more, unlike in the USA, there is an explicit constitutional right to privacy, which is taken very seriously, particularly after the abuses by the state security in the former German Democratic Republic. None of which means that the German security services don't get up to dirty tricks, of course. Before coming out with any such ignorant falsehoods in the future, I would recommend you at least to consult Wikipedia, or such like. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
