On 8/28/20 4:56 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
On 8/28/20 1:55 PM, james wrote:
I'm proposing, via a small corp I own, to purchase up to (3) dual
Rasp.pi 4 setups of (2) R.Pi.4 8gig ram setups and send them to the
devs WE all decide on.
A few points.
1)� I don't think that 8 GB of RAM is required.� --� My email server is
a VPS with 2 GB of RAM and is running just fine.� So, maybe smaller
systems would work.� And maybe that would mean that more of them could
be acquired for the same funding.
OK, but I like the R.P.8gram quite a lots. so my money is with
prototyping on via (3) innovators each with (2) R. P. 4 8g ram. Others
can use what they want. Surely others can propose and use other embedded
(low2 power) boards.
2)� I don't know that a Raspberry Pi is strictly required for the
testing.� I think that anything that will run Gentoo can be used to
prove out the software stack.� --� Sure, there will /eventually/ need to
be /some/ testing on Raspberry Pis.� But I think that testing will be
later in the game and more of a confirmation after the fact.
Great idea. Fund that pathway yourself. I LOVE R.PI.4 boards, with 8gig
of ram. ymmv.
If we can get these codes running on arm64 (R.P.4) surely running them
on AMD or intel is trivial?
Perhaps a read on "Intel cripple AMD functions is in order?
https://www.agner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6
3)� I'm not sure what you mean by "dual ... setups".
(2) identical R.Pi.4 8gig rams systems, running gentoo.
(1) dns resolver codes emails service codes etc
(1) dns resolver codes, webserver to support email services etc.
What are the two
systems (be it Raspberry Pis or VPSs or VMs or something else) supposed
to do?� -� Are you wanting primary and backup (as in MX) or some sort of
cluster with shared file system or something else?
Well establish, albeit, in long postings on this gentoo-user list. It's
just (2) R.P.4 systems, running gentoo.
I'm open to the stack (list) of codes necessary to securely run
1. embedded gentoo on R.P.4 (other hardware can be funded by others).
2. Any number of robust email servers-systems (open)
3. a DNS servers to provide "primary dns services"
a total of (2). More than 2 would be great.
4. A companion ngnix(?) web server just to complement the project. The
ideas is each email services collective could have their own web pages
explaining their email and related services.
5. On these (3) projects, I'd be open to other, complementary
experimentation, as long as it is published. Grant Taylor, do not let it
go to your head, but I agree with most of what you write in Gentoo User.
6. (2) Rpi4 (8 gig) systems and extras are 2-3 hundred dollars. So it's
total less than $900 USD dollars. NOT a bid deal for my little corp.
Actually, if I get what I need, then it's the most inexpensive && robust
way for my little corp to get exactly what I need. My own small email
servers and dns resolvers supporting those email services.
Let's us start compiling up the codes, keep it simple (for now) and
implement them with gentoo-users as the testers of the email services.
These discussions should be continued to everyone's benefit. However
there are way more than (3) folks on these threads who are most
capable to do this community prototyping.
I think the idea of using VPSs or VMs means that a lot more people can
participate using the same funding.
I'm not funding somebody else's idea. I'm funding what *I* want, open to
input. With this effort others benefit from the project. The ultimate
goals is for hundreds of email services to be setup, gentoo centric.
If WE do not act and get hundreds of these deployed, email, as we know
it via RFCS and other standards may just disappear, or be relegated
to the far reaches of the Internet.� What I have read, is standards
based email services, particularly by small organizations, are under
extreme pressure by large corporations to be marginalized out of
existence.
I think I disagree with that.
OK, great. FUND what you want. Run things as you see fit
Many of the big email operators are enforcing higher and higher
standards.� But the standards /are/ /open/ and /can/ /be/ /implemented/
/by/ /anyone/ who wants to do so.
Show me a concise, easy to follow set of codes and docs, and I'll just
build (2) R.P.4 servers and share my docs 100%. Forget the fact, for
now, that all static IPs Frontier has, are blocked by this same group of
higher and higher standards. Really, I'm kinda shocked NeddySeagoon,
or others have not already fixed this, via 100% gentoo codes, complete
with ample documentation.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi4_64_Bit_Install
Just add the email, dns, ngnix, security setup codes to
this doc?
I have been researching and reading, for over (3) weeks and have yet
been able to formulate a pathway to get a mail server up. Granted the
industry black-balling Frontier, is a bit of a shocker to me. No wonder
Frontier is is receivership, with Verizon licking their chops to get a
big chunk of Frontier back.
Just in case you do not know, Verizon was force to divest much of their
internet empire (Florida, Texas and California) to Frontier in
anti-trust settlements.
The /only/ thing that I've seen that is somewhat of a closed system that
small players -- like myself -- have no real hop of is getting people
like Google to trust our ARC (not DMARC) signatures.� Though this is
probably more a shortcoming in the ARC specification as it doesn't
tackle how to get providers to trust your signature as a small operator.
I can fix this problem, in a few months. There are legal places to take
'racketeering' and other forms of 'monopolistic" behavior to for
resolution. Email was created and spread via RFC standards. I do not
user any of the services of those conglomerates. TRUMP is totally
ignorant of what this does to small competitors. HE needs to be made
aware. He is forcing big operations on the internet to choose between
the US and China. The right presentation to him and his underlings,
although not easy, is a doable.
It is an election year. Give me what I want/need, and I'll show him how
thousands of US High School kids and start an email/webserver, centric
business, right out of their own home. That the sort of technology
idea/commitment Trump or Biden needs right now!
Sounds like private discussions, via a connected DC lawyer can get this
'horse shit' fixed. Done it too many times, all the way to 'testifying'
in front of judges as an expert witness too many times. I can 'bust
their balls' but will give them a chance to come clean first, via
private negotiations. Getting political candidates to talk about this on
their campaign trail, is easy, if you have THE RIGHT LAWYERS. They are
often referred to as "Money Men". That, my friend, is how politics work,
in reality.
And yes that's the sort of skills The Gentoo Council, should be looking for.
So any of the folks in these treads can announce publically, or send
me private email as to your concerns. Public is best, but, I
understand the needs for private communications sometimes. So yea,
I'll personally finaces, at least 6 months of (3) projects.
I'll take all input, but will make my (funding) decision, in a focus,
quick strategy.
I'm happy to participate.� My preference would be to use a VPS / VM
(which I can provide) and allow others to take advantage of the Pis that
are on offer.
Both you and Ash, are on my short list. No doubts. If you need
financial help, after this is done and published, then contact me privately.
Ash already knows I wheel and deal. She has impeccable credentials, so
all she has to do is ask.
Anyone can post with their ideas a solution.
And yes, I'm going to be quite generous and helpful. I'm a very
comfortable techie; like many of the older gentoo hacks.......
Besides, the timing is right for this sort of open competition in email
services. I would not worry about big tech falling in line.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/27/china-tech-facebook-google/
James
