On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <[email protected]> wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> >> [...] >> maybe, but at the high time of the installer the forum was full with >> clueless (and it still is). Following the handbook is not hard. > > If you don't have a second PC, it's not easy either. And besides, what have > the clueless done to you? :D Just let them be. >
In the couple of cases I've dealt with this setup I've used a second console and Alt-Ctrl-F1/F2 to go back and forth so even that doesn't have to be an excuse. (And I totally get that you aren't trying to make an excuse, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be.) It's not as easy as copy/paste in a terminal, but it works. I've done installs in Australia from California. Once the machine is booted and shh is running, it works. My friend went to bed and woke up to a fully working machine. He ran 4 or 5 Gentoo machines for years and recently quit completely to use Arch Linux because he was frustrated with packages being 'broken all the time' according to him. I run the same software for the most part and don't notice it. All that said, and speaking for myself I'm not looking for an installer, but for years I've wondered why there isn't a really, really, really 'simple install' that just puts a bootable kernel and grub on a machine and gets the machine booting in 15 minutes. Nothing fancy, not cool, no graphics. Just really basic in that it gets you past the CD and working with your hardware pretty quickly, so that then I can do the 25-30 steps on my own schedule without the CD in the machine. That said, I'm not asking for anything or even frustrated with anything. Gentoo is just Gentoo. It is the way it is. I don't think anyone is stopping anyone else from making it better, if better really means an installer, but I'd never really ask anyone to invest the time to do these things. I figure there are lots of smart people here so if anyone smart wanted it then it will get done, right? - Mark
