These meetings accomplish little or nothing as it is the same people saying the same things over and over again. Just filling up that resume. If you are truly so conflicted about the subject, (doubt it) why don't you get out of the business or better yet, stop interfering with others who are in it (The I'm going to the DARPA meeting to stop it stunt you pulled a while back). Better yet, next time you guys schedule one of these get togethers, you can announce you are going to hold it so you can stop it. At least announce it far enough in advance so we can all plan not to go. BTW, I've come up with a new job description for people like Alan Robock and Dale Jameison: Professional Critic. Since they are both employed by universities, let's ad an un to that. Yeah, that sounds right: Unprofessional Critic. More candidates as I get time.
----- Original Scientists Debate Shading Earth As Climate Fix by Richard Harris All Things Considered, June 16, 2009 ยท Engineering our climate to stop global warming may seem like science fiction, but at a recent National Academy of Sciences meeting, scientists discussed some potential geoengineering experiments in earnest. Climate researcher Ken Caldeira was skeptical when he first heard about the idea of shading the Earth a decade ago in a talk by nuclear weapons scientist Lowell Wood. "He basically said, 'We don't have to bother with emissions reduction. We can just throw aerosols - little dust particles - into the stratosphere, and that'll cool the earth.' And I thought, 'Oh, that'll never work,' " Caldeira said. But when Caldeira sat down to study this, he was surprised to discover that, yes, it would work, and for the very same reasons that big volcanoes cool the Earth when they erupt. Fine particles in the stratosphere reflect sunlight back into space. And doing it would be cheap, to boot. Caldeira conducts research on climate and carbon cycles at the Carnegie Institution at Stanford University. During the past decade, he said, talk about this idea has moved from cocktail parties to very sober meetings, like the workshop this week put on by the National Academy of Sciences. "Frankly, I'm a little ambivalent about all this," he said during a break in the meeting. "I've been pushing very hard for a research program, but it's a little scary to me as it becomes more of a reality that we might be able to toy with our environment, or our whole climate system at a planetary scale." Attempting to geoengineer a climate fix raises many questions, like when you would even consider trying it. Caldeira argued that we should have the technology at the ready if there's a climate crisis, such as collapsing ice sheets or drought-induced famine. At the academy's meeting, Harvard University's Dan Schrag agreed with that - up to a point. "I think we should consider climate engineering only as an emergency response to a climate crisis, but I question whether we're already experiencing a climate crisis - whether we've already crossed that threshold," Schrag said. In reality, carbon-dioxide emissions globally are on a runaway pace, despite rhetoric promising to control them. University of Calgary's David Keith suggested that we should consider moving toward experiments that would test ideas on a global scale - and do it sooner rather than later. "It's not clear that during some supposed climate emergency would be the right time to try this new and unexplored technique," Keith said. And experiments could create disasters. Alan Robock of Rutgers University cataloged a long list of risks. Particles in the stratosphere that block sunlight could also damage the ozone layer, which protects us from harsh ultraviolet light. Or altering the stratosphere could reduce precipitation in Asia, where it waters the crops that feed 2 billion people. Imagine if we triggered a drought and famine while trying to cool the planet, Robock said. On the plus side, it's also possible that diffusing sunlight could end up boosting agriculture, he said. "We need to evaluate all these different, contrasting impacts to see whether it really would have an effect on food or not," he said. "Maybe it's a small effect. We really don't know that yet. We need more research on that." Thought experiments to date have focused primarily on the risks of putting sulfur dust in the stratosphere. There are many other geoengineering ideas - like making clouds brighter by spraying seawater particles into the air. But none of them is simple. "I don't think there is a quick and easy answer to employing even one of those quick and cheap and easy solutions," said social scientist Susanne Moser. There's no mechanism in place to reach a global consensus about doing this - and a consensus seems unlikely in any event. Who gets to decide where to set the global thermostat? And will this simply become an excuse not to control our emissions to begin with? These were all questions without answers at the academy's meeting. Message ----- From: Ken Caldeira To: geoengineering Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:17 PM Subject: [geo] NPR radio story on National Academy geoengineering workshop http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105483423 ___________________________________________________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA [email protected]; [email protected] http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab +1 650 704 7212; fax: +1 650 462 5968 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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