Dear Indianice Members, His Honourable Ronald Momogeeshick Peters of Geecheemanitou has suggested me/Indianice to join the meeting to discuss all kinds of prospects and projects to Present to the former US President Bill Clinton. (I already mentioned to Hillary Clinton that I would meet her husband in September as a part of looking at First Nations' projects and we would raise the matter there.) I suggest, Indianice put forward its best expert team to states. Geoengineering Group will also feed me some contributions. I suggest Indianice team is me, supported by 2 experts, plus Jim for BBC: Jim McNeill should join me to make a news report for the BBC about meeting with Bill Clinton. (BBC is a major news company.) Jim is familiar of the UN-ignored UNGA 101292 request that the North American First Nations' People made under the auspices of the World Indigenous Nations Summit as its closing plenary investigation request to the United Nations' General Assembly. Pano Kroko from the Environmental Parliament Group is an expert of Hopi Native history and folklore. Pano also met recently Bill's Vice-President, Al Gore. Therefore, his presence at the meeting brings a good succession to the earlier meetings that have laid down the foundations for the American government to recognise and seriously investigate the American Native people's histories which appear in form of folklore and stories of the various past events, but never systematically studied with a scientific testing to interprete, data-validate or dismiss a failing American Native histories, rather than blanket-dismiss all of them as myths. During the UN - World Indigenous Peoples' Summit in Alaska in April 2009, Pano obtained reassurances from the United Nations' General Assembly President for a novel climate change risk class under the heading: "Paleofuture Climate Change Risks". This novel climate change risk class, which the Environmental Parliament secured, accommodates the North American First Nations' (and all other aboriginal nations) native histories, "lore", into a broad international effort to understand the glaciation of the "ice age" and the period of "global warming" that followed that 'ice age'. Paleofuture research aims to rediscover the precise meaning of the First Nations' lore in its geophysical settings, this then helps us today to know more about future impacts of our present-day climate change in a situation of a newly resumed (anthropoogenic) global warming inducing event reoccurrences. Paleofuture research recognises the value of the First Nations' native histories, "the lore", and this will also help to empower and build self-respect of the world's indigenous people as recognised contributors for the cumulative of the world's history-writing at full parity with the rest of the world, i.e. Egypt where native lore and materials have long been basis to test historic hypotheses. Paleofuture research on the (anthropogenic) global warming induced reoccurrences of the ancient 'lore' events is a mutual win-win to everyone. This finally resolves the traditional histories to study and test their historicity in a broader research framework what His Honourable Thomas Bancancya (the tradition-keeper of Hopi Nation) and His Honourable Oren Lyons (the tradition-keeper of the Six Nations) requested from the United Nations' General Assembly with the full backing of the aboriginal summit. The details of UNGA 101292 are to be seen on my Facebook / Profile / Photos / Albums / World Indigenous Nations Request to UN General Assembly / main page + 15 photos (including articles). These cover sections UNGA 101292-1 and UNGA 101292-2 only. The sections UNGA 101292-3, UNGA 101292-4 and UNGA 101292-5 are to follow. With substantial work left with UNGA 101292-3. The third person would possibly be Larry Vardiman or some other expert from their laboratories, pending availability. The reason is that their in-depth geophysical modelling and issues relating to Milutin Milankovic glaciation forcing history is more in depth than mine. The ground tomographic work could bring Kalle Kaukonen / Eigenor explaining algorithms and test issues for ice tomography. Julie Petrik is our link to some specialist divers and organisations at ultra-deep sea floor diving work and experiments, if required. Paul Rose and Philippe Cousteau could also be invited to come to meet President Bill Clinton as figureheads and being famous nature documentary producers, although Paul would need to give full feedback to Philippe as what is being discussed. Professor Sir Ghillean Prance and Professor John Mitchell from the UK Meteorological Office Climate modeling chief scientist could be brought into meeting through teleconferencing, or with supportive letters from them why First Nations lore deserve full study. I am open for suggestions who is the best person to sell the 16 year old skeletons from the United Nations' cup board to Clinton, but I am certain that the First Nations' people themselves are the best advocates of the matter when informed and familiarised. Thus, I do not see any way better than Ronald's invitation to get the First Nations' matter moving ahead in the UN's Secretariat. Pano reminds, the Copenhagen process requires our proposal by mid-August. Please provide your feedback, asap.
Ronald Momogeeshick Peters July 10 at 2:15am We are meeting with former President Bill Clinton in Sept. to discuss all prospects and projects. We would like you to be there. Veli Albert Kallio July 11 at 11:45pm Hi Ronald, Do you have and date and time being fixed for me to check my diary if I could make it there? I will also discuss with my advisors and colleagues, one of them saw just recently Al Gore, any possibility that Clinton and Gore would both be present as my associates know and met him recently. For the Copenhagen, deadline of proposals is 26 August, I have agreed to assist the Environmental Parliament Group to put forwards a proposal that Paleofuture Climate Risk Class gets recognised. It refers to perceived reoccurrence of ancient events associated to ice age and the global warming that ended it, and the potential of them reappearing now. Influential Geoengineering Group also makes suggestions how to prevent climate warming to become runaway event. I would also like to see more indigenous peoples recognition and in particular the tradition or faith keepers and bring their ancient recollections into Paleofuture research. What strikes me is that aboriginal people's ancient recollections should be seen as a resourse, not as an inferior hindrance and distraction. I have seen so many beautiful things brought from the past by First Nations people, i.e. the hill where native American's run to safety when the immence post-ice age glacial lake "Lake Agazzis" bursted its banks and drained into St. Lawrence. Entire world was effected by the event, yet, this site has not been included on the UNESCO's World Heritage Site list. As per UNGA 101292 and every other scheme instigated by the United Nations for the American Indians, is based on stipulated inferiority and subserviency, not that the native people are recognised or empowered themselves in any way. Recently UN labelled a conference on empowerment of Native Americans in Canada as its perennial frozen waterways melt open. The empowerment called natives to be trained for operating oil drills and in correct loading of oil tankers. What kind of empowerment is this? How many Inuit or First Nations run oil ships or oil rigs. These are extremely capital-intensive mature industries fully controlled by Texans and powerful business elites that own them based in Washington DC or New York, or Dallas, or Houston. How UN can empower American Indians if there are already fully matured Microsofts in oil industry that have operated the last 100 years? Why we can't tell UN it is a bunch of lies. UNESCO's parameters for "important" First Nations sites are always pre-determined by the White men's own criteria: i.e. 1) has lots of gold been recovered from the site, then site "qualifies" for UNESCO's heritage list; 2) has Amerindian real estate and property been recovered or on site 3) has the site indications of permanent agricultural settlement, corn or potato growing. In each case it is the White men: 1) gold went to Spain, how many North American tribes were after gold jewellery or gemstones, not many - thus atypical criteria 2) most (if not virtually all) white men were never nomadic people or hunters, thus UNESCO's primary criteria for good Amerindian sites based on urbanisation and real estates are rather uncharacteristic to most tribes 3) potato and corn became adopted food of white men, many North American tribes did not involve themselves with such agricultural practise, what about the meat and products of American bison or other game that were important for the hunter societies for very long time, instead of potatoes (fish & chips) or corn (popcorn & corn flakes). Everything good the United Nations do or tries to do has a white flavour, a sort of milk chocholate rather than the original product. If you can get your folks helping to challenge these things to President Clinton, then I am willing to come but if it is not based on level talks where the equality of both parties with their different experiences of equal value is recognised, I or none of my people are able to come. Othewise, I can just start to talk to the walls of the UN General Assembly like Thomas Bancanya and Oren Lyons did some 16 years ago, with World Indigenous Nations Summits closing pleanary investigation request going to litter bin as soon as the lights were turned off from the UN's Main Assebly Hall. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
