> Condensation nuclei are condensation nuclei. Really? I thought they varied in size and in how hygroscopic they are.
>It seems, Wikipedia misses Mount Meru entirely, No, the Mout Meru article has been there since May 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Meru_(Tanzania)&dir=prev&action=history On Aug 8, 11:25 am, Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Interesting! It is not the one in Wikipedia. It seems, Wikipedia misses Mount > Meru entirely, this is because Internet is still too expensive and > unavailable in some parts of the world that people do not bother using it yet > to put that kind of stuff in there. > > Mount Meru was the tallest mountain in Africa before it blew off its entire > top (loosing some 2.5 km height). Mount Meru I refer is surrounded by the > Greater Arusha, it is still third tallest mountain in Africa. The local > municipality of Usa River were building a water pipe from top of the mountain > to the town and failed to account the difficult topographic terrains. As a > result the water mains became 1,500 metres too short and the project fell > apart, but the pipe goes up kilometres, I did enquiry about what is happening > to pipe and whether it is in deployment or still disused. Mt. Meru is located > near Mt. Kilimanjaro and was even taller. > > Mount Meru is dormant and not posing risk to the City of Arusha. It is this > type of pipe that could be used in suitable location to transport gas uphill; > there are many similar tall volcanoes on islands that could be used to > discharge climate modulating gases to encounter the accummulative inpact of > greenhouse gases. In Greenland, Mt. Gunnbjorn at nearly 4 km could put stuff > high up. The Pacific and the southernmost Andes near Punta Arenas also rise > thousands of metres high and could put coolants into air. > > I had this reply from Fulgence Rutasha back in June about the whereabouts of > the pipeline. I can chase after the various costs and expenditure to give a > rough idea what it costs to lay down such a pipe. Hope this clarifies your > query where is Mt. Meru. > > Kind regards, > > Albert > > Re: Mt. Meru - Usa River Water Pipe > > From: > fulgence rutasha ([email protected]) > > You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk > > Sent: > 17 June 2009 18:43:57 > > To: > David Balderstone ([email protected]); [email protected]; Alvin > Rocero ([email protected]); [email protected]; Max Church > ([email protected]); [email protected]; Saddock Butokes > ([email protected]); Veli Albert Kallio ([email protected]) > > Cc: > [email protected] > > Dear Veli > I will find out and keep you posted. > Regards, > > Dr. Rutasha, Fulgence Dadi > United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) > Sea View, Plot 11, Ocean Road > PO BOX 9182 > Dar es Salaam > TANZANIA > TEL: CELL +255 754 476 190 OFFICE Cell, +255 754 781126 or +255 22 2132002 > [email protected] > > --- On Wed, 17/6/09, Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> > Subject: Mt. Meru - Usa River Water Pipe > To: [email protected], "David Balderstone" <[email protected]>, > [email protected], "Alvin Rocero" <[email protected]>, > [email protected], "Max Church" <[email protected]>, > [email protected], "Saddock Butokes" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 17 June, 2009, 5:29 PM > > Dear Dr. Rutasha (or anyone else who has information on this), > > Any idea who asked me funding for laying down a drinking water pipe from Mt. > Meru to the town of Usa River in the Greater Arusha. I'd like to get an > update from its project manager. > > I understood that there were lack of topographic maps and survey and the > water pipe failed to reach the village due to unaccounted undulating terrain > versus map and direct eye line. It was then brought to my understanding that > the too short drinking pipe was raided by elephants for drinking water. > > What is the current utilisation situation with the Mt. Meru - Usa River water > pipe. Is it still unfinished and taking water to nowhere? > > With kind regards, > > Veli Albert Kallio, FRGS > > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:33:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Today's London Times: Latham-Salter Cloud Brightening > & Copenhagen study on Climate Response > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > > And exactly where is Mount Meru. Wikipedia offer this > article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Meru_(mythology) --interesting, > but not very practical help. > > Best, Mike > > On 8/8/09 10:19 AM, "Veli Albert Kallio" <[email protected]> wrote: > > First of all, congratulations to you Stephen and John getting this excellent > publicity. > > "The British team, led by John Latham, an atmospheric physicist at the > University of Manchester, and Stephen Salter, an engineer at the University > of Edinburgh, is working with a Finnish shipping company, Meriaura. The > British team, led by John Latham, an atmospheric physicist at the University > of Manchester, and Stephen Salter, an engineer at the University of > Edinburgh, is working with a Finnish shipping company, Meriaura." > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6742023.ece<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6742023.ece> > > I just would like to draw your attention, whose effort and idea it was to > bring Meriaura into the picture and introduce Atmosmare Foundation? I.e. > their leading geoengineering researchers Risto Isomaki, coordinator Esko > Pettay and Auramare's Lauri Malkia to John and Steve in this picture. So ... > John, Stephen and Risto, remember me too and prepare to give me a brush so > that I can come to brush off the salt from your deck (if the Indianice melts > away before Clinton finds us sponsors...). > > Risto Isomaki worked for many years in solitary isolation in Finland > fostering relationships to gain practical support to his geoengineering ideas > as a handyman-inventor and environmentalist. I really hope all these efforts > are coming to fruition. > > I suggest as this matter has come hot that the research proposal is presented > in the Oceanology International that is coming. I am more inklined towards > this as all the ice related schemes fail because of the ice simply vanisihing > by melting ever faster. > > Alvia's etc idea should be considered, I think aerosols spreading is quite > easily doable. > > I think that the cooling, or, use of cloud-forming aerosols could be first > tested from high oceanic mountains by piping gas upto the high mountain top > and then releasing it to the winds (the pumping of gas don't cost fortunes as > the pipes are not expensive). I was asked to help fund a pipeline to Mount > Meru to 4,500 metres, you can have a large throughput even through plastic > pipes. > > There are also almost always a strong upwards windrafts in oceanic mountains > as the windward sides accummulate stream of rising air, this then continues > over the top of whichever side the wind blows. Pumping of water so high is > expensive but sulphur dioxide gas etc does not accummulate very much pressure > in hoses when pumped uphill few kilometres. > > Balloon tests must continue to get a full geoengineering community support as > the technology is so readily existing one. > > Kind regards, > > Albert > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: [geo] Re: Today's London Times: Latham-Salter Cloud Brightening & > Copenhagen study on Climate Response > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 05:17:47 -0400 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeptical_Environmentalist<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeptical_Environmentalist> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_It:_The_Skeptical_Environmentalist%...<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_It:_The_Skeptical_Environmentalist%...> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg> > > Lomborg is a de facto denier, cleverly framing his ever changing arguments > in a way that misleads and misdirects. If he truly believes global warming > is a serious problem, then how does he reconcile his statements that we > don't need to reduce CO2 emissions? Those of us in favor of geoengineering > research and deployment with few exceptions agree it is a stop gap, not an > alternative to reducing emissions which he refers to as "politically > correct." > > Economic analyses have a role to play in selecting the technologies to use, > not just for geoengineering, but also for emissions reduction. Above a > certain threshold, cost is important, but effectiveness always trumps cost > and that has to be established first. Then let the econ profs go to work. > And try not to let Lomborg's specious arguments get in the way. Otherwise, > Mark the Pie Man may have to make a repeat appearance, with additional pies > as needed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Green, Prof." <[email protected]> > To: "Kelly Wanser" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Alvia Gaskill" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: [geo] Re: Today's London Times: Latham-Salter Cloud Brightening & > Copenhagen study on Climate Response > > Thanks. The panel of expert economists (three of them Nobel Prize winners) > will be evaluating a set of proposals for dealing with climate change. > Geoengineering is one of them. The papers on which the proposals are based > will be posted on the Copenhagen Consensus website over the next few weeks. > The evaluation of the various proposals by the expert committee will take > place next month. > > ________________________________ > From: Kelly Wanser [[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:57 PM > To: Christopher Green, Prof. > Cc: Alvia Gaskill; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Today's London Times: Latham-Salter Cloud Brightening > & Copenhagen study on Climate Response > > Thanks, Christopher. I was a little confused by the site. The Copenhagen > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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