Thanks, David. That's a very nice overview that you and Stephens did. Sorry I missed it earlier. So if air capture via geochem CO2 management shares some of the same benefits (but with different problems) inherent in air CCS why was the former approach ignored in you high profile discussion in Science? Why is air capture only narrowly defined as an industrial means of producing concentrated CO2 from air, ignoring a variety of geochemical and biological air capture mechanisms that don't make molecular CO2, some of which have already absorbed from air about 60% of our CO2 emissions and at zero cost (but not zero environmental impact)? Relatedly, I've heard a rumor that APS is sitting on a rather negative economic assessment of air CCS. Care to offer any insights? Regards, Greg
>Yes, all good. I did not mean to imply that direct air capture was >the only method of abiotic negative emissions, indeed we reviewed a >bunch of these methods in: > >Stephens, J. C. and D. W. Keith (2008). Assessing Geochemical Carbon >Management. Climatic Change, 90: 217-242. You can find it as #75 at > <http://*people.ucalgary.ca/~keith/CO2%20Capture%20and%20Storage.html>http://*people.ucalgary.ca/~keith/CO2%20Capture%20and%20Storage.html > >An interesting fact is that the economics of the CaO in oceans and >the electro-chemical schemes and air capture using strong bases are >all linked by the problem of making or regenerating a strong base >with CO2 capture, a cost that will likely be the dominant cost in >each case. > >In particular, air capture with a CaO to CaCO3 loop and mining CaCO3 >to make CaO with CO2 capture are very similar, the ocean scheme >replaces the contactor with a ship. > >-D > > > >From: Greg Rau [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: December 10, 2009 9:26 AM >To: David Keith; [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: RE: [geo] Prof. Klaus Lackner + air capture demo at AGU in SF > >And just to make clear that there are other alternatives to abiotic >air CO2 capture and storage, I can offer these (attached): > >Kheshgi, H. S. Sequestering atmospheric carbon dioxide by increasing >ocean alkalinity. Energy 1995, 20, 915-922. > >House, K. Z.; House, C. H.; Schrag, D. P.; Aziz, M. J. >Electrochemical acceleration of chemical weathering as an >energetically feasible approach to mitigating anthropogenic climate >change. Environ. Sci. Technol. 2007, 41, 8464-8470. > >Harvey, L. D. D. Mitigating the atmospheric CO2 increase and ocean >acidification by adding limestone powder to upwelling regions. J. >Geophys. Res. - Oceans 2008, 113, doi: 10.1029/2007JC004373. > >Rau, G.H. Electrochemical splitting of calcium carbonate to increase >solution alkalinity: Implications for mitigation of carbon dioxide >and ocean acidity. Environmental Science and Technology 2008 , 42: >8935-8940. > >-G > > > > >>Manu >> >> >> >>Much of what is reported in these articles has little connection >>with reality. For example, the economist article states that our >>system captures CO2 with a 100 kWhr/tCO2 input, which is dead >>wrong. We could not get electricity consumption that low if >>electricity were the sole energy input, and in any case we are >>designing systems that do not import electricity. >> >> >> >>I enclose my overview in Science enclosed here: "Why Capture CO2 >>From The Atmosphere". Science, 325: 1654-1655. >> >> >> >>We have a longer article that provides a semi-technical overview of >>the various trade-offs in the design of air capture systems. See: >> >> >> >>David W Keith, Kenton Heidel and Robert Cherry. Capturing CO2 from >>the atmosphere: Rationale and Process Design Considerations. >>Geo-Engineering Climate Change. B. Launder and M. Thompson ed, >>Cambridge University Press. >> >> >> >>There are at least two funded start-up companies developing AC >>technology now. I run one of them. Peter Eisenberger runs another. >>In addition there are about five academic groups along with Klaus >>Lackner and GRT. >> >> >> >>Some of our stuff, and all publications, are up at >><http://**www.**ucalgary.ca/~keith/AirCapture.html>http://**www.**ucalgary.ca/~keith/AirCapture.html, >> >>but as the company speeds up the link between these publications >>and what we are actually doing is inevitably getting a bit weaker. >> >> >> >>Yours, >> >>David >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Manu Sharma >>Sent: December 9, 2009 10:45 PM >>To: Geoengineering >>Subject: Re: [geo] Prof. Klaus Lackner + air capture demo at AGU in SF >> >> >> >>Thanks Greg. >> >> >> >>Apart from the links you provided, members may find the following >>useful as well. >> >> >><http://**www.**physorg.com/news96732819.html>First Successful demo >>of Lackner's technology (Physorg.com / Apr 2007) >> >> >> >><http://**news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7429562.stm>Eminent >>geochemist Dr. Wallace Broecker endorses Lacker's synthetic trees >>(BBC) >> >> >> >><http://**www.**smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/interview-broecker-200806.html>Interview >> >>of Dr. Wallace Broecker discussing the technology (Smithsonian.com) >> >> >> >> >><http://**www.**grestech.com/faq.php>GRT - the company that's >>developing the technology with Lackner >> >> >> >> >> >>It's curious that the expert committee participating in the recent >>congressional hearing on Geoengineering contained three experts on >>SRM but not one on air capture. >> >> >> >>Manu >> >> >> >>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Greg Rau >><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>Forwarded from Sarah Brennan: >> >> >> >>Prof. Klaus Lackner, director of the Lenfest Center for Sustainable >>Energy at the Earth Institute at Columbia University, will be >>demonstrating air capture technology at the American Geophysical >>Union conference in San Francisco next week >>(<http://***www.***agu.org/meetings/fm09/>MailScanner has detected >>a possible fraud attempt from "*www.***agu.org" claiming to be >>www.***agu.org/meetings/fm09/). 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