Manu, I have placed you on the "moderation" list at [email protected].
This is not the appropriate group for the description of inventions that break the laws of thermodynamics. Best, Ken ___________________________________________________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA [email protected] http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab +1 650 704 7212; fax: +1 650 462 5968 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Stephen Salter <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > > We should always encourage replication and rigorous testing of new > scientific claims, especially those which would overturn all our present > preconceived ideas. > > The demonstration of the Steorn free energy motor by JLN labs would be > more convincing to boringly pedantic classical physicists and engineers > if the baseboard had been suspended by non-conducting string, all > instrumentation had been self contained and if the rotation had > continued for a period much longer than the charge in the capacitor > replacing any on-board batteries. It would cost very little to do this, > just a ball of string and a moderate size electrolytic capacitor. I am > willing to provide both. Can this be done? > > Stephen > > (Boringly pedantic engineer) > > Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design > School of Engineering and Electronics > University of Edinburgh > Mayfield Road > Edinburgh EH9 3JL > Scotland > tel +44 131 650 5704 > fax +44 131 650 5702 > Mobile 07795 203 195 > [email protected] > http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs <http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Eshs> > > > > Manu Sharma wrote: > > A French researcher claims to have replicated the controversial free > > energy device of Steorn -- the Irish company that claimed in August > > 2006 that it has developed a free energy (popularly "perpetual > > motion") device. > > > > The device breaks the laws of thermodynamics and is impossible > > according to current science although Zero Point Energy (which these > > devices claim to tap) is a valid phenomenon. > > > > Since 2006, Steorn has had a checkered history. To highlight the main > > events: > > > > * Steorn organised a jury of scientists in 2007 which were given > > this device to test for two years. > > * Steorn demoed the device for public (in 2008, I think), but the > > demo failed as the device could not work. > > * They blamed it on the bearings and kept working to improve the > > flawed components. > > * Meanwhile Steorn licensed the technology to around 300 > > developers who were given the schematics (for free, I believe) > > to develop the device. > > * The scientific jury finally gave the verdict earlier this year > > and said the device _did not_ work as Steorn claimed. > > * On 15 December, Steorn released an improved version of the > > device in a public demo in Dublin. > > * Now someone (perhaps from the 300 developers who were licensed > > the technology) has apparently replicated the design. > > > > Steorn - official website <http://www.steorn.com/> > > /Steorn/ - Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn> > > JLN Labs replicates Steorn's free energy motor > > < > http://pesn.com/2009/12/28/9501599_Steorn_e-Orbo_replicated_by_JL_Naudin/> > > > > Note that I'm only reporting facts here regarding what seems to be an > > interesting development. I'm not qualified to claim that this is > > a bona-fide free energy device or that such a device is even possible. > > > > I personally maintain that given the tremendous possible benefits, all > > such claims should be given serious scientific scrutiny regardless of > > the challenge they pose to conventional understanding of > > physics. Members are free to form their own conclusion. > > > > -- Manu > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "geoengineering" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<geoengineering%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<geoengineering%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en.
