Andrew

Most of the energy in waves is at present dissipated as heat in water and sand at the beach. Data on the North Atlantic wave climate combined with the flow of the North Atlantic Drift suggest an increase in temperature on the beach by about 1/50 of a degree Celsius.

If we built very efficient wave plant all the way along the coast we might reduce the temperature increase to 1/100 of a degree. But as we would be using the wave-generated electricity in homes and factories, most will end up warming the prevailing wind which is exchanging heat with the sea. The overall effect is a short diversion.

Onshore wind turbines do produce a detectable increase in the evaporation rate of ground water leading to a lower river run-off and we should expect offshore wind turbines to increase evaporation from the sea which ought to restore run-off. It may be possible to design floating wind-driven machines which produce no electricity but put all the energy they extract into increasing the turbulence of the lower atmosphere over the sea. This should produce more rainfall down wind.

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On 02/04/2011 14:15, Alvia Gaskill wrote:
Wind and wave energy are the result of the conversion of solar energy into kinetic energy, i.e. the motion of molecules. Once converted into kinetic energy it's a use it or lose it proposition. Extracting kinetic energy from the atmosphere or the ocean doesn't mean it won't be replaced by more energy from sunlight. Planting more trees will also intercept winds, albeit without the electricity generation. Who funded this research? The same people who want to prevent contact with alien civilizations? I note that the Royal Society was also a party to that one too. Note to Royal Society. When you actually find something under the bed I should be afraid of, wake me up.

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Andrew Lockley <mailto:and...@andrewlockley.com>
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    *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2011 8:10
    *Subject:* [geo] Wind and wave energies are not renewable after all


      Wind and wave energies are not renewable after all

        * 30 March 2011 by *Mark Buchanan*
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    *Editorial: *"The sun is our only truly renewable energy source
    
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028062.500-the-sun-is-our-only-truly-renewable-energy-source.html>"

    /Build enough wind farms to replace fossil fuels and we could do
    as much damage to the climate as greenhouse global warming/

    WITNESS a howling gale or an ocean storm, and it's hard to believe
    that humans could make a dent in the awesome natural forces that
    created them. Yet that is the provocative suggestion of one
    physicist who has done the sums.

    He concludes that it is a mistake to assume that energy sources
    like wind and waves are truly renewable. Build enough wind farms
    to replace fossil fuels, he says, and we could seriously deplete
    the energy available in the atmosphere, with consequences as dire
    as severe climate change.

    Axel Kleidon of the Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry in
    Jena, Germany, says that efforts to satisfy a large proportion of
    our energy needs from the wind and waves will sap a significant
    proportion of the usable energy available from the sun. In effect,
    he says, we will be depleting green energy sources. His logic
    rests on the laws of thermodynamics, which point inescapably to
    the fact that only a fraction of the solar energy reaching Earth
    can be exploited to generate energy we can use.

    When energy from the sun reaches our atmosphere, some of it drives
    the winds and ocean currents, and evaporates water from the
    ground, raising it high into the air. Much of the rest is
    dissipated as heat, which we cannot harness.

    At present, humans use only about 1 part in 10,000 of the total
    energy that comes to Earth from the sun. But this ratio is
    misleading, Kleidon says. Instead, we should be looking at how
    much useful energy - called "free" energy in the parlance of
    thermodynamics - is available from the global system, and our
    impact on that.

    Humans currently use energy at the rate of 47 terawatts (TW) or
    trillions of watts, mostly by burning fossil fuels and harvesting
    farmed plants, Kleidon calculates in a paper to be published in
    /Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society/
    <http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.2014>. This corresponds to roughly 5 to
    10 per cent of the free energy generated by the global system.

    "It's hard to put a precise number on the fraction," he says, "but
    we certainly use more of the free energy than [is used by] all
    geological processes." In other words, we have a greater effect on
    Earth's energy balance than all the earthquakes, volcanoes and
    tectonic plate movements put together.

    Radical as his thesis sounds, it is being taken seriously.
    "Kleidon is at the forefront of a new wave of research, and the
    potential prize is huge," says Peter Cox, who studies climate
    system dynamics at the University of Exeter, UK. "A theory of the
    thermodynamics of the Earth system could help us understand the
    constraints on humankind's sustainable use of resources." Indeed,
    Kleidon's calculations have profound implications for attempts to
    transform our energy supply.

    Of the 47 TW of energy that we use, about 17 TW comes from burning
    fossil fuels. So to replace this, we would need to build enough
    sustainable energy installations to generate at least 17 TW. And
    because no technology can ever be perfectly efficient, some of the
    free energy harnessed by wind and wave generators will be lost as
    heat. So by setting up wind and wave farms, we convert part of the
    sun's useful energy into unusable heat.

    "Large-scale exploitation of wind energy will inevitably leave an
    imprint in the atmosphere," says Kleidon. "Because we use so much
    free energy, and more every year, we'll deplete the reservoir of
    energy." He says this would probably show up first in wind farms
    themselves, where the gains expected from massive facilities just
    won't pan out as the energy of the Earth system is depleted.

    Using a model of global circulation, Kleidon found that the amount
    of energy which we can expect to harness from the wind is reduced
    by a factor of 100 if you take into account the depletion of free
    energy by wind farms. It remains theoretically possible to extract
    up to 70 TW globally, but doing so would have serious consequences.

    Although the winds will not die, sucking that much energy out of
    the atmosphere in Kleidon's model changed precipitation,
    turbulence and the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth's
    surface. The magnitude of the changes was comparable to the
    changes to the climate caused by doubling atmospheric
    concentrations of carbon dioxide (/Earth System Dynamics/, DOI:
    10.5194/esd-2-1-2011 <http://dx.doi.org/10.5194/esd-2-1-2011>).

    "This is an intriguing point of view and potentially very
    important," says meteorologist Maarten Ambaum of the University of
    Reading, UK. "Human consumption of energy is substantial when
    compared to free energy production in the Earth system. If we
    don't think in terms of free energy, we may be a bit misled by the
    potential for using natural energy resources."

    This by no means spells the end for renewable energy, however.
    Photosynthesis also generates free energy, but without producing
    waste heat. Increasing the fraction of the Earth covered by
    light-harvesting vegetation - for example, through projects aimed
    at "greening the deserts" - would mean more free energy would get
    stored. Photovoltaic solar cells can also increase the amount of
    free energy gathered from incoming radiation, though there are
    still major obstacles to doing this sustainably (see "Is solar
    electricity the answer?")
    
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028063.300-wind-and-wave-energies-are-not-renewable-after-all.html?full=true#bx280633B1>.

    In any event, says Kleidon, we are going to need to think about
    these fundamental principles much more clearly than we have in the
    past. "We have a hard time convincing engineers working on wind
    power that the ultimate limitation isn't how efficient an engine
    or wind farm is, but how much useful energy nature can generate."
    As Kleidon sees it, the idea that we can harvest unlimited amounts
    of renewable energy from our environment is as much of a fantasy
    as a perpetual motion machine.


          Is solar electricity the answer?

    A solar energy industry large enough to make a real impact will
    require cheap and efficient solar cells. Unfortunately, many of
    the most efficient of today's thin-film solar cells require rare
    elements such as indium and tellurium, whose global supplies could
    be depleted within decades
    
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16550-why-sustainable-power-is-unsustainable.html>.

    For photovoltaic technology to be sustainable, it will have to be
    based on cheaper and more readily available materials such as zinc
    and copper, says Kasturi Chopra of the Indian Institute of
    Technology, New Delhi.

    Researchers at IBM showed last year that they could produce solar
    cells from these elements
    
<http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adma.200904155/abstract;jsessionid=A766B41341BD4059B74B2F28AE9B8A80.d03t03?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+2nd+Apr+from+10-12+BST+for+monthly+maintenance>
 along
    with tin, sulphur and the relatively rare element selenium. These
    "kesterite" cells already have an efficiency comparable with
    commercially competitive cells, and it may one day be possible to
    do without the selenium.

    Even if solar cells like this are eventually built and put to
    work, they will still contribute to global warming. That is
    because they convert only a small fraction of the light that hits
    them, and absorb most of the rest, converting it to heat that
    spills into the environment
    
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026845.200-heat-we-emit-could-warm-the-earth.html>.
    Sustainable solar energy may therefore require cells that reflect
    the light they cannot use.

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