*I am sending this on behalf of Tom Wigley, who for some reason was unable
to post. I will take this opportunity to say that I do think Eugene
Gordon's comments shows a misconception of what science is about. When we
use Newton's or Einstein's laws of motions to explain planetary orbits, we
are constructing a model. Experiments and observations are aimed at
allowing us to construct models. Science is largely about constructing
mathematical models of the world that have predictive capability.*

Dear all.

This is in response to Gene Gordon's skepticism. This is a bit
peripheral to the geoengineering issue -- but his statements about the
scientific method cannot go unchallenged.

Here are some "experiments" (model tests) that have been performed ...

Use best independent estimates of the historical forcings on the climate
system. Run a model with these forcings. Compare the model response to the
observed changes.

Result: statistically significant agreement for surface temperature,
tropospheric temperature, stratospheric temperature, height of the
tropopause, atmospheric moisture content, etc. These agreements are not
only for global-mean values of these variables, but also for the
patterns of change -- a much tougher test. (All of this is in the
peer-reviewed literature.)

To go further, one can do the same "experiments" with other forcing
possibilities -- such as solar forcing alone, or simply no forcing at
all. The results here show no agreement -- i.e. the differences between
the model expectations and the observations are statistically
significant at very low p values (i.e., highly significant differences).

I could phrase these statements in more formal statistical language, but
the points do not change.

A crucial aspect in these studies (referred to as "Detection and
Attribution" studies) is the use of patterns of change. Just to give one
example. anthropogenic forcing should cause the surface/troposphere to
warm and the stratosphere to cool. Which is just what we observe. In
contrast, positive solar forcing should cause both regions to warm,
which is not what is observed. This is just one of the results that
eliminates solar forcing as a major contributor to observed climate change.

D&A work is a very stringent test of the science -- which the models pass.

There are still uncertainties in the projections. But we can quantify
these probabilistically, so that helps in the decision-making process.

Tom.



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Eugene Gordon <[email protected]>wrote:

> Thank you; models may help to explain the issues but not the science. Only
> when you do an experiment for which you have predicted the results and the
> predictions hold true and you do it enough times so that you have no doubt
> achieved truth do you have a credible science. Until then it is interesting
> but you cannot predict with any certainty and if you cannot predict then
> what do you have?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Robock
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:32 PM
> To: geoengineering
> Subject: [geo] Climate sensitivity
>
> These two one-page articles are an excellent explanation of the issues:
>
>
> http://www.pages-igbp.org/download/docs/PAGES%20news%202012-1(10-11)_Climate
> %20sensitivity.pdf<http://www.pages-igbp.org/download/docs/PAGES%20news%202012-1%2810-11%29_Climate%0A%20sensitivity.pdf>
>
> Alan
>
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