Andrew


Answers to your questions about the our recent URL paper on stratospheric 
albedo modification delivery systems.



Q: Isn't this just a reformatted version of the Aurora flight report?

A: Essentially yes. The online supplemental information is the Aurora report, 
the paper is newly written but has relatively little view analysis. The paper 
puts the report in an archival peer-reviewed journal. We made minor 
improvements in response to review but nothing fundamental. We could have kept 
the report to ourselves until publication, but because our views about the 
importance of openness in this field we decide to release the entire report 
when it was completed following our internal peer-review.



Q: it ignores gas guns (which are half the price in $/kg of solid-propellant 
guns) and contradicts SPICE balloon cost estimates.  It works up aircraft way 
more than other tech, leading to unsurprisingly lower cost estimates of these 
technologies.  Coming up with low prices for worked up tech seems a common 
thread in papers.

A: This seems to me a very odd criticism of this paper. Unlike (to my 
knowledge) any other paper we examined all the different options in our scope 
using the same costing assumptions and industry-standard cost estimating 
relationships (CERs). I am not aware that the SPICE project has done anything 
similar.



We did not come into it with any particular bias towards airplanes and in 
practice we spent a lot of time on hybrid airships and on the balloon with hose 
option because analysis there was relatively harder to do. If you discount the 
section on existing aircraft which seems fair since there are no alternative 
options that are as ready to go, the section on new aircraft is not 
substantially longer than the sections on hybrid airships or the hose option.



Finally it seems like an odd criticism because in fact we found that the cost 
of hybrid airships, new aircraft, and the balloon with hose option were broadly 
comparable.



gas guns (which are half the price in $/kg of solid-propellant guns) We did not 
spend significant time on gas guns because we talked to David Whelan, US 
National Academy member and senior scientist at Boeing, one of the world 
experts on this topic, and he advised us that gas guns would not be a 
significant advantage for the altitude range that is relevant here. Even if gas 
guns were half the price of solid propellant guns as you assert, and I do not 
know of a study that shows that to be true when you count capital and operating 
costs, the cost would still be absurdly high compared to the other options 
investigated (hybrid airships, the balloon with hose, or regular aircraft) and 
therefore all but irrelevant.



David





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On Behalf Of Andrew Lockley
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:52 PM
To: geoengineering; David Keith
Subject: [geo] Cost analysis of stratospheric albedo modification delivery 
systems (ERL) Open Access



Poster's note: Isn't this just a reformatted version of the Aurora flight 
report?  If so, it ignores gas guns (which are half the price in $/kg of 
solid-propellant guns) and contradicts SPICE balloon cost estimates.  It works 
up aircraft way more than other tech, leading to unsurprisingly lower cost 
estimates of these technologies.  Coming up with low prices for worked up tech 
seems a common thread in papers.

This could be clarified by authors generally, I feel.



http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034019



We perform engineering cost analyses of systems capable of delivering

1-5 million metric tonnes (Mt) of albedo modification material to altitudes of 
18-30 km. The goal is to compare a range of delivery systems evaluated on a 
consistent cost basis. Cost estimates are developed with statistical cost 
estimating relationships based on historical costs of aerospace development 
programs and operations concepts using labor rates appropriate to the 
operations. We evaluate existing aircraft cost of acquisition and operations, 
perform in-depth new aircraft and airship design studies and cost analyses, and 
survey rockets, guns, and suspended gas and slurry pipes, comparing their costs 
to those of aircraft and airships. Annual costs for delivery systems based on 
new aircraft designs are estimated to be $1-3B to deliver 1 Mt to 20-30 km or 
$2-8B to deliver 5 Mt to the same altitude range. Costs for hybrid airships may 
be competitive, but their large surface area complicates operations in high 
altitude wind shear, and development costs are more uncertain than those for 
airplanes. Pipes suspended by floating platforms provide low recurring costs to 
pump a liquid or gas to altitudes as high as  ~ 20 km, but the research, 
development, testing and evaluation costs of these systems are high and carry a 
large uncertainty; the pipe system's high operating pressures and tensile 
strength requirements bring the feasibility of this system into question. The 
costs for rockets and guns are significantly higher than those for other 
systems. We conclude that

(a) the basic technological capability to deliver material to the stratosphere 
at million tonne per year rates exists today, (b) based on prior literature, a 
few million tonnes per year would be sufficient to alter radiative forcing by 
an amount roughly equivalent to the growth of anticipated greenhouse gas 
forcing over the next half century, and that (c) several different methods 
could possibly deliver this quantity for less than $8B per year. We do not 
address here the science of aerosols in the stratosphere, nor issues of risk, 
effectiveness or governance that will add to the costs of solar geoengineering.



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