Adam

   Thanks for quick response.

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Ron



On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Adam Abelkop <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello, 
> 
> Would you mind providing us with something more in terms of an introduction 
> to yourselves and your project(s)? We might then be able to provide a more 
> thorough or direct answer. 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> Adam 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andrew and list  (adding two new ccs):
> 
>    1.  I found the full article (for free) at:
>           http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2165372
> 
>     It is quite complete - 46 pages,  265 footnotes (a good many fewer 
> references - but a lot)
> 
> 
> 2.   Here are the final five paragraphs:
> 
> IV. TOWARD GEOENGINEERING GOVERNANCE
> 
>       <skip many pages>
> 
>                                         E. The Scientists
> 
>     Decisions concerning geoengineering must be based on sound science.
> Proponents of geoengineering propose to make massive, possibly planetarywide,
> changes to the earth’s climate system. Before any such proposals are
> allowed to move forward, they must be subject to a careful, independent, and
> neutral scientific assessment of their feasibility, likely effectiveness, and
> risks. If geoengineering is a necessary part of the solution to our climate
> problem (and we fear it may be), then international decisions about
> approving geoengineering must be structured to ensure that approved
> projects are those that are most likely to succeed, that the projects do not
> conflict with one another, and that special pleading or political influence 
> does
> not trump science in the approval process.258
> 
>     International environmental treaties seek to secure scientific input into
> the international policy-making process in a variety of ways.259 We think the
> concerns noted above require a very strong mechanism for science advice in
> any geoengineering agreement. A scientific advisory committee should be
> created and given power to review and make recommendations concerning
> any geoengineering proposal that is presented to the international governing
> body.260 Ideally, no action could be taken without the concurrence of this
> body, but such a requirement might overly politicize the group and would
> certainly complicate negotiations concerning its composition. Therefore, it
> may be preferable to make its decision recommendatory only. With respect to
> composition, the minimum requirements should be that the individuals
> serving on the panel are persons of recognized scientific standing with
> expertise in climate change, geoengineering, weather modification, or the
> human/social impacts of climate instability. To ensure the independence of
> members, they must be expressly authorized to serve in their individual
> capacities and not as government representatives.261 A scientist’s home state
> should be expressly precluded from giving the scientist instructions or
> seeking to influence the scientist’s decision. 262 Finally, reports and
> recommendations of the body should be publicly available, which will allow
> for scrutiny and analysis by other independent scientists.263
> 
> V. CONCLUSION
>     We have no illusions that the governance roadmap we have provided in
> this paper is comprehensive; we know that many details must be worked out
> in negotiations. Nevertheless, we believe that the principles and basic
> governance structure sketched out above could provide the foundation for a
> workable agreement to bring geoengineering under coherent and effective
> international control. We hope in a future paper to offer more detailed
> suggestions about the content of a treaty on this subject.
> 
>     In her 1957 novel, Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand described a composer
> named Richard Halley who, like many of Rand’s protagonists, was a man of
> transcendent and unappreciated genius. Halley wrote an opera based on the
> myth of Phaëthon. As anyone familiar with Rand’s work will probably guess,
> Halley’s operatic version of the myth departs from the Greek story in one
> significant way: Phaëthon controls the chariot and completes his flight;
> humankind triumphs even against the forces of gods and nature.264
> 
>     We think it is almost inevitable that humankind will seek to fly
> Phaëthon’s chariot. We must hope that Rand’s optimistic and utopian modern
> mythology is more prophetic than the fatalistic vision of the Greeks and
> Romans. We must also work as best we can to ensure the enterprise’s
> success.
> 
> 
> 256 Martinez-Diaz, supra note 246; Woods & Lombardi, supra note 232.
> 257 See Buira, supra note 248.
> 258 Financial muscle and political influence is already lining up behind 
> certain geoengineering
> solutions, and leading scientists are acquiring financial stakes in 
> particular techniques that may
> influence their future advocacy of particular geoengineering proposals. See 
> generally Vidal, supra
> note 132.
> 259 See, e.g., Convention on Long Range Transboundary Air Pollution [LRTAP], 
> art. 7, Nov. 13,
> 1979, 1302 U.N.T.S. 217 (encouraging research and research cooperation with 
> respect to air
> pollution); Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer art. 
> 7, Sept. 16, 1987,
> 1522 U.N.T.S. 3 (establishment of expert panels to conduct scientific 
> assessment of measures to
> control ozone-depleting substances); UNFCCC art. 5, supra note 178 (research 
> support and
> cooperation); id., art. 9 (establishment of intergovernmental body for 
> scientific assessment);
> Rotterdam Convention on Prior Informed Consent Procedure for Certain 
> Hazardous Chemicals
> and Pesticides in International Trade art. 5–7 & 18, Sept. 11, 1998, 2244 
> U.N.T.S. 337
> (establishing a Chemical Review Committee, consisting of experts in chemical 
> management, to
> advise parties on listing of chemicals in treaty annexes).
> 
> 260 See Long & Winickoff, supra note 214.
> 261 A model for this approach at the international level can be found in the 
> World Trade
> Organization (“WTO”)’s provisions for dispute settlement. See WTO, DISPUTE 
> SETTLEMENT, art.
> 8, para. 9 (1994), available at 
> www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispv_e/dsv_e.htm. “Panelists shall
> serve in their individual capacities and not as government representatives, 
> nor as
> representatives of any organization. Members shall therefore not give them 
> instructions nor seek
> to influence them as individuals with regard to matters before a panel.” Id.
> 262 Again, the WTO Dispute Settlement Understanding provides a model. See id.
> 263 David Victor argues that international assessment of geoengineering 
> solutions should “enlist
> multiple strong assessment institutions rather than a single, global, and 
> weak institution. A few
> competent groups could prepare assessments in parallel—ideally groups that 
> are connected to
> active scientific research in the area—and then compare the assessments.” 
> Victor, supra note 29,
> at 330. We are in basic agreement with Victor’s belief that “multiple strong 
> assessment
> institutions” are desirable, and our proposal for a treaty-based advisory 
> group is not intended to,
> nor would it, preclude rigorous assessment by scientific experts at the 
> national level. To the
> contrary, we would expect research and assessment activities to be ongoing, 
> and we would expect
> international comparison of the results of those assessments, pursuant to the 
> information sharing
> and related norms discussed earlier in this paper.
> 
> 
> 3.   There is almost no discussion of specific geoengineering approaches.  
> But, unusually, there is plenty on CDR, as well as the usual majority 
> emphasis on SRM.   
>      However the word "biochar" never once appears.  There are 2-3 sentences 
> that one can interpret as possibly including biochar.  But I could make a 
> pretty strong argument that the concept of biochar was intentionally left out 
> - which would of course please thousands of biochar researchers.
> 
> 4.     In order to check on the authors' intent re biochar,  I have included 
> the two authors in this extension of Andrew's message.  I hope they will 
> comment on the ethics of, and needed regulation of, the only CDR approach 
> that additionally supplies energy and improves soils (and food), with 
> numerous out-year benefits, (and the research is NOT being driven much by 
> biochar's CDR characteristics) .   Also,  I ask whether failing to use the 
> word "biochar" might have been intentional  (biochar being well known in the 
> state of Iowa).  
> 
> 5.  In sum,  I think this paper worthy of more discussion on this list.
> 
> Ron
> 
> From: "Andrew Lockley" <[email protected]>
> To: "geoengineering" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 5:20:25 PM
> Subject: [geo] Published in Transnational Law and Contemporary Problems: 
> Geo-Engineering For Global Warming Needs International Laws With Teeth
> 
> http://www.science20.com/news_articles/geoengineering_global_warming_needs_international_laws_teeth-100073
> Geo-Engineering For Global Warming Needs International Laws With Teeth
> 
> 
> 
>       <rest snipped as not being needed>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Adam Abelkop, JD
> Doctoral Student in Public Policy, Indiana University 
> School of Public & Environmental Affairs 
> Department of Political Science 
> [email protected]
> (770) 241-1145

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