Hi Emily,

Could you give some more details and/or post this in a separate thread, 
this seems like a big deal! I mentioned your comment to some folks involved 
in governance here at the geoengineering group at the IASS and they were 
very interested / worried!

cheers,

Pete

On Saturday, 6 April 2013 21:46:33 UTC+2, Emily L-B wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> One thing that perturbed me last year was the etc work at the un fao csm 
> conf on food security where they are highly respected in the civil society 
> movement. A move in civil society to oppose Genetic engineering was mutated 
> to a call for a ban on Geo engineering. 
> If this move had been successful, and put to the unfao on behalf of the 
> large and wide group of civil society organisations, it could have 
> precipitated another un body opposing geo engineering, which I don't think 
> had been the intention of most of the organisations being represented. 
> I was glad this move was retracted when I challenged it, but I suppose it 
> will be tried again.
> It is a shame to me that this kind of tricky tactic is being used. 
>
> Civil society will need to be vigilant that they do not end up calling for 
> a ban on the wrong thing!
>
> In terms of the paper cited below, an EIA of geo-eng would compare the 
> risk of potential impacts from any geo-eng project in the future against 
> the expected status in the future, not the current status. Ie if the Sahel 
> is due to dry with climate change and is also due to dry with a proposed 
> SRM project, this would mean the drying needs to mitigated (ameliorated) 
> whether the SRM takes place or not.
>
> In good faith,
> Emily.
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry
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> *Subject: *Re: [geo] Re: Asymmetric forcing from stratospheric aerosols 
> impacts Sahelian rainfall : Nature Climate Change
>
> Thanks Oliver.
> Just to clarify from the link, ETC's stated Plan A is:
>
>  "....pull out and dust off the many practical proposals that have been 
> around for decades that would plant trees, push back the Sahara, and 
> support sustainable agricultural strategies in the region. And, if that’s 
> not enough in a dire emergency, then make sure there is sufficient food 
> aid." 
>
> I'd also suggest throwing in some significant family planning aid. 
>  Apparently "sufficient food aid" will be required because the planted 
> trees will be occupying otherwise arable land(?)
>
> In any case sounds like some serious social, bio,  and geo engineering to 
> me, which I'm all for carefully considering.  But how is this immune from 
> the same criticism as GE with regard to effectiveness and unintended 
> consequences, and especially what is the likelihood of achieving Plan A 
> goals given African social and political instability, not to mention lack 
> of global will? This is why it's dangerous at this stage to dismiss any 
> Plan B option until it is proven that it is not needed, and why ETC's 
> vehement opposition to such seems so irrational.  This is making a big 
> assumption that their true agenda is to maintain earth habitability.
> -Greg
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> *From:* O Morton <[email protected] <javascript:>>
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> *Sent:* Sat, April 6, 2013 2:27:49 AM
> *Subject:* [geo] Re: Asymmetric forcing from stratospheric aerosols 
> impacts Sahelian rainfall : Nature Climate Change
>
> Opps: forgot teh URL of Jim's post 
> http://www.etcgroup.org/content/normalizing-geoengineering-foreign-aid
>
> On Monday, 1 April 2013 11:17:28 UTC+1, andrewjlockley wrote:
>>
>> Posters note: a discussion of the policy implications of this paper can 
>> be found at http://m.guardian.co.uk/ environment/2013/mar/31/earth- 
>> cooling-schemes-global-signoff<http://m.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/31/earth-cooling-schemes-global-signoff>,
>>  pasted below.
>>
>> http://www.nature.com/ nclimate/journal/vaop/ ncurrent/full/nclimate1857. 
>> html<http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1857.html>
>>
>> Asymmetric forcing from stratospheric aerosols impacts Sahelian rainfall
>>
>> Jim M. Haywood, Andy Jones, Nicolas Bellouin & David Stephenson
>> Nature Climate Change (2013) doi:10.1038/ nclimate1857
>> Received 23 October 2012 
>> Accepted 22 February 2013 
>> Published online 31 March 2013
>>
>> The Sahelian drought of the 1970s–1990s was one of the largest 
>> humanitarian disasters of the past 50 years, causing up to 250,000 deaths 
>> and creating 10 million refugees. It has been attributed to natural 
>> variability, over-grazing and the impact of industrial emissions of sulphur 
>> dioxide. Each mechanism can influence the Atlantic sea surface temperature 
>> gradient, which is strongly coupled to Sahelian precipitation. We suggest 
>> that sporadic volcanic eruptions in the Northern Hemisphere also strongly 
>> influence this gradient and cause Sahelian drought. Using de-trended 
>> observations from 1900 to 2010, we show that three of the four driest 
>> Sahelian summers were preceded by substantial Northern Hemisphere volcanic 
>> eruptions. We use a state-of-the-art coupled global atmosphere–ocean model 
>> to simulate both episodic volcanic eruptions and geoengineering by 
>> continuous deliberate injection into the stratosphere. In either case, 
>> large asymmetric stratospheric aerosol loadings concentrated in the 
>> Northern Hemisphere are a harbinger of Sahelian drought whereas those 
>> concentrated in the Southern Hemisphere induce a greening of the Sahel. 
>> Further studies of the detailed regional impacts on the Sahel and other 
>> vulnerable areas are required to inform policymakers in developing careful 
>> consensual global governance before any practical solar radiation 
>> management geoengineering scheme is implemented.
>>  
>> Comment piece below, http://m.guardian.co.uk/ 
>> environment/2013/mar/31/earth- 
>> cooling-schemes-global-signoff<http://m.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/31/earth-cooling-schemes-global-signoff>
>>
>> Guardian, Sunday 31 March 2013 17.59 BST 
>> AIan Sample, science correspondent
>>
>> Earth-cooling schemes need global sign-off, researchers say
>>
>> World's most vulnerable people need protection from huge and unintended 
>> impacts of radical geoengineering projects.
>>
>> Controversial geoengineering projects that may be used to cool the planet 
>> must be approved by world governments to reduce the danger of catastrophic 
>> accidents, British scientists said.Met Office researchers have called for 
>> global oversight of the radical schemes after studies showed they could 
>> have huge and unintended impacts on some of the world's most vulnerable 
>> people.The dangers arose in projects that cooled the planet unevenly. In 
>> some cases these caused devastating droughts across Africa; in others they 
>> increased rainfall in the region but left huge areas of Brazil parched."The 
>> massive complexities associated with geoengineering, and the potential for 
>> winners and losers, means that some form of global governance is 
>> essential," said Jim Haywood at the Met Office's Hadley Centre in 
>> Exeter.The warning builds on work by scientists and engineers to agree a 
>> regulatory framework that would ban full-scale geoengineering projects, at 
>> least temporarily, but allow smaller research projects to go 
>> ahead.Geoengineering comes in many flavours, but among the more plausible 
>> are "solar radiation management" (SRM) schemes that would spray huge 
>> amounts of sun-reflecting particles high into the atmosphere to simulate 
>> the cooling effects of volcanic eruptions.Volcanoes can blast millions of 
>> tonnes of sulphate particles into the stratosphere, where they stay aloft 
>> for years and cool the planet by reflecting some of the sun's energy back 
>> out to space.In 2009, a Royal Society report warned that geoengineering was 
>> not an alternative to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, but conceded the 
>> technology might be needed in the event of a climate emergency.Writing in 
>> the journal Nature Climate Change, Haywood and others show that moves to 
>> cool the climate by spraying sulphate particles into the atmosphere could 
>> go spectacularly wrong. They began by looking at the unexpected impacts of 
>> volcanic eruptions.In 1912 and 1982, eruptions first at Katmai in Alaska 
>> and then at El Chichón in Mexico blasted millions of tonnes of sulphate 
>> into northern skies. These eruptions preceded major droughts in the Sahel 
>> region of Africa. When the scientists recreated the eruptions in climate 
>> models, rainfall across the Sahel all but stopped as moisture-carrying air 
>> currents were pushed south.Having established a link between volcanic 
>> eruptions in the northern hemisphere and droughts in Africa, the scientists 
>> returned to their climate models to simulate SRM projects.The scientists 
>> took a typical project that would inject 5m tonnes of sulphate into the 
>> stratosphere every year from 2020 to 2070. That amount of sulphate injected 
>> into the northern hemisphere caused severe droughts in Niger, Mali, Burkina 
>> Faso, Senegal, Chad and Sudan, and an almost total loss of vegetation.The 
>> same project had radically different consequences if run from the southern 
>> hemisphere. Rather than drying the Sahel, cooling the southern hemisphere 
>> brought rains to the Sahel and re-greened the region. But Africa's benefit 
>> came at the cost of slashing rainfall in north-eastern Brazil.The 
>> unintended consequences of SRM projects would probably be felt much farther 
>> afield. "We have only scratched the surface in looking at the Sahel. If 
>> hurricane frequencies changed, that could have an impact on the US," said 
>> Haywood.Matthew Watson, who leads the Spice project at Bristol University, 
>> said the study revealed the "dramatic consequences" of uninformed 
>> geoengineering."This paper tells us there are consequences for our actions 
>> whatever we do. There is no get-out-of-jail-free card," he told the 
>> Guardian."Whatever we do is a compromise, and that compromise means there 
>> will be winners and losers. That opens massive ethical questions: who gets 
>> to decide how we even determine what is a good outcome for different 
>> people?"How do you get a consensus with seven billion-plus stakeholders? If 
>> there was a decision to do geoengineering tomorrow, it would be done by 
>> white western men, and that isn't good," Watson said.
>>
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