I spotted those shaky 'facts', too.

One issue which concerns me greatly is ocean colour / albedo. Far too
little is discussed on this issue WRT OIF.

I wonder if anyone on this list has access to such measurements? Photos are
not a reliable indicator of numerically accurate albedo, unless calibrated
specifically for the purpose.
On May 25, 2013 5:54 AM, "RAU greg" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks, Andrew. A couple of comments:
> As far as I know, Marchetti (1977), not David Keith, was the "father of
> the term 'geoengineering'"
>
> I thought Klaus Lackner, not David Keith, is known as the father of the
> "artificial tree".
>
> Capturing excess air/ocean CO2 "for mere pennies per ton" would indeed be
> welcomed news, especially if more than a few percent of this captured
> carbon were permanently stored. I look forward to seeing those "200 million
> discrete measurements of the ocean environment and the bloom" that
> supposedly will prove this hypothesis, assuming these haven't vanished
> along with George's departure from the project.
>
> As for restoring salmon, it would seem that the Haida Gwaii have voiced
> there opinion by terminating George.
>
> "Dreams" indeed.
>
> I think all of this is very unfortunate because I share George's belief
> that the ocean could play a much bigger role than it already does in
> consuming our excess CO2, though I don't share his (and other's) insistence
> that leaky and unpredictable marine biology should do the heavy lifting.
>  But whatever your marine method of choice, George's attempts at
> large-scale pirate science will now make it more difficult for those
> wishing to conduct legitimate, open, scientific research on this topic.
> This is a situation that, with options and time dwindling, truly "we cannot
> afford".
>
> -Greg
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Andrew Lockley <[email protected]>
> *To:* geoengineering <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thu, May 23, 2013 11:12:52 PM
> *Subject:* [geo] Opinion: Dreams we cannot afford, by Russ George — The
> Daily Climate
>
>
> http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2013/05/opinion-ocean-geoengineering
>
> Dreams we cannot afford
> By Russ George
> The Daily Climate
> VANCOUVER, British Columbia –
>
> The billions of dollars required by geoengineers to scrub the atmosphere
> of carbon will bankrupt us. I have a cheaper solution.
>
> I met David Keith, often described as the father of geoengineering, a few
> years back in the backstage "green room" in New York City as we were
> preparing to go on stage for a TED event. TED talks charge high ticket
> prices for lavishly produced events on worldly topics that the
> intelligentsia and cognoscenti of technology and science like to attend.
> David, Martin Hoffert and I were speaking that night on a common theme:
> What to do about anthropogenic carbon dioxide.Geoengineers are presenting
> ideas that require hundreds of billions, even trillions, of dollars to
> solve the crisis of human-driven climate change.Marty, retired now from New
> York University, is a voluble advocate for getting off fossil fuels to
> avoid climate change impacts. David is a physics professor at Harvard
> University and is backed by Bill Gates. He's proud to be the father of the
> term "geoengineering," where we alter the climate to suit our needs instead
> of Nature's. Me? I am displeased to have the term hung around my neck. But
> I am an old hippy tree-planter who has spent life living outside of the
> box, with some bit of help from folks inside said box. I compromise and
> call myself an "ecoengineer."What transpired in the "green room" started
> out as a friendly exchange of views that became a heated discussion and
> rapidly devolved into an argument with sparks flying. My premise: The cost
> of dealing with anthropogenic CO2 must be and can be a tiny fraction of the
> cost demanded by those working in the field inside the box.
>
> David and other geoengineers are presenting ideas and inventions to the
> world that require hundreds of billions, even trillions, of dollars to
> solve the crisis of human-driven climate change. David's "artificial trees"
> – named after plants' abilities to pull carbon dioxide from the air –
> consist of vast arrays of fans blowing our carbon-rich air over a pool of
> sodium hydroxide. Other plans would have us send a fleet of planes or
> blimps aloft to seed the clouds with light-reflecting particles, much as a
> large volcanic explosion do. More farfetched are plans to lob trillions of
> mirrors into orbit to deflect the sun's energy.My work over the past two
> decades shows that we can solve a large part of the crisis for a small
> fraction of the cost. And because it's ecoengineering, we're restoring
> ecosystems at the same time we're solving climate change.Last summer, in
> the largest geoengineering project to date, I oversaw an ocean experiment
> that sowed 120 tons of iron sulphate and iron ore rock dust into the
> Pacific Ocean more than 200 miles west of British Columbia's Haida Gwaii
> islands. The premise was simple: Iron, acting as a fertilizer, would
> trigger a phytoplankton bloom that would pull carbon from the ocean. We'd
> simply be replenishing the sea with a natural mineral micronutrient. The
> whole ocean food chain would benefit, as well as the Haida, who have
> suffered from diminished salmon runs.
>
> Our carbon emissions are an immediate, cataclysmic problem for the oceans
> that make up more than 70 percent of our blue planet. We are delivering a
> lethal overdose of carbon dioxide to the ocean environment.This is the
> crisis of CO2, and we might as well forget about any long term problems
> associated with global warming  – and the trillions of dollars needed by
> geoengineers like David Keith – if we do not first deal with ocean
> health.Some in the international community and in Canada claim that our
> project was unlawful are presently before the Supreme Court of British
> Columbia. A thorough review of law in Canada has yet to discover anything
> identifying the work as being unlawful. Other scientists have said this
> approach won't work – that other studies have found little ability for iron
> fertilization efforts to permanently sequester carbon on any scale relevant
> to counter human emissionsWe have found otherwise. Six years of preparation
> and months of sea studies aboard our research ships – along with two state
> of the art Slocum Ocean gliders and hourly data from buoys at the site –
> have produced nearly 200 million discrete measurements of the ocean
> environment and the bloom. The experiment is working.For mere pennies per
> ton of captured carbon dioxide, the native village I've been working with
> has replenished and restored its traditional ocean pasture. In doing so we
> captured tens of millions of ton of CO2 last year. The carbon has been
> converted into an even more valuable form: Life itself – plankton – that my
> friends on British Columbia's Haida Gwaii islands know best as fish food.
> Here's a link to a narrative on how well it worked.
>
> So five years have passed since that New York City TED evening, and David
> Keith's prototype artificial trees are being readied for a test. If the
> test works perhaps the world will pour more money into a larger test. If
> that works, he needs a price on carbon dioxide – $200 per ton – to scale up
> his effort to chemically engineer a solution out of the air.Saving the
> world one village at a time is practical and immediately possible. At a
> fraction of the cost of David's artificial trees, our native grown
> ecoengineering project is in fully operational condition, turning CO2 from
> its deadly form into life.And let's look at the economics: A $200 price tag
> on carbon emissions would have considerable ripple effects on the world
> economy. Take a flight from New York to Paris as one example. Each
> passenger disembarks with a two- to three-ton carbon footprint.Factoring in
> how fees and surcharges tend to multiply as they get passed to consumers,
> that sends the airfare soaring from about $1,150 today to about $2,350 with
> Keith's carbon offset price.Our village-based ocean plan, in contrast, adds
> less than $30 to the ticket price for the same amount of carbon
> sequestration. And you get delicious wild salmon with your inflight meal.We
> may still need David's artificial trees. I'm pretty sure we cannot afford
> them.
>
> Russ George (Twitter: @russgeorge2) is founder of the Vancouver based
> firm Haida Salmon Restoration Corp. which seeks to use ecoengineering
> projects to restore ecosystems, help salmon runs and slow climate change.
>
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