Fred; Thanks for the agreement. I am not sure with what you don't agree.
Anyway all should know that patents worldwide are granted to those first to file and not to those first to invent. A prior mention of an invention or an idea related to an invention in the public domain generally prevents issuance of a related patent filed after the probable, prior mention. Hence a publication, talk or other provable mention of an idea ruins the opportunity to get a patent on the idea. In other words a publication or something mentioned in the geoengineering e-mail is a patent killer. Patenting in geoengineering represent an expense that is probably unnecessary. Patents are tough to get issued unless one is secretive about the idea until the patent is filed. The cost of a worldwide patents on an invention probably runs to $50,000 unless one does the writing. Bell Labs paid the bill. Now I do the writing for my inventions and filing a provisional patent costs about $500 and then one has upwards of a year to start filing full patents worldwide. Developing the technology to carry ou a geoengineering experiment to prove in the patent could cost $millions. Who is going to invest? Hence, a patent is unlikely to pay off to the inventor. Better to publish and get the appreciation of ones colleagues and self satisfaction. -gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Zimmerman" < geoengineeringit @ gmail .com> To: "Gene Gordon" < euggordon @comcast.net> Cc: "Chris Vivian" <Chris.Vivian@ cefas .co. uk >, "geoengineering" <geoengineering@ googlegroups .com> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:23:49 AM Subject: Re: [ geo ] Re: good list of geoengineering patents? Just to clarify reason for asking about patents: I agree with most of what Gene says below. Patent law has become an embarrassment and serves mainly as a mechanism for trolls to exact unearned taxes from those who are doing useful things. However, the body of patent law on a topic is a necessary legal reference point for those who are actually building useful enterprises. Also, as a post a few weeks ago mentioned, IP law about GE may assume heightened significance in the absence of a coherent governance regime. I appreciate Jim Lee's efforts to create a reasonabl ( ish ) list as a starting point and thank him forsharing it with the list. Andrew Lockley asked a few weeks ago "where do we need to spend money" -- maybe one answer is that a competent and neutral( ish ) body needs to commission a survey or registry of IP related to GE. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM, < euggordon @comcast.net > wrote: Most of the patents are out of date and/or US patents. All will be out of date by the time anyone is ready to geoengineer the climate. US patents alone won't cut it since solutions will cross boundaries. Geoengineers should focus on science and solutions and not look to get rich on their inventions except in a prestige sense. Why anyone would want to patent geoengineering solutions except for prestige is beyond me. Good publications would be much more important. From: "Chris Vivian" < Chris.Vivian@ cefas .co. uk > To: geoengineering@ googlegroups .com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:10:36 AM Subject: [ geo ] Re: good list of geoengineering patents? Fred, This list of patents was referred to by Clive Hamilton. I don't know how good it is. http ://rezn8d.net/2013/04/14/climate-engineering-patents/ Chris. On Monday, 24 June 2013 21:31:49 UTC +1, Fred Zimmerman wrote: <blockquote> has anyone got a good list of major geoengineering patents? --- Fred Zimmerman Geoengineering IT! Bringing together the worlds of geoengineering and information technology GE NewsFilter : http :// geoengineeringIT .net:8080 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+ unsubscribe @ googlegroups .com . To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@ googlegroups .com . Visit this group at http ://groups. google .com/group/geoengineering . For more options, visit https ://groups. google .com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+ unsubscribe @ googlegroups .com . To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@ googlegroups .com . Visit this group at http ://groups. google .com/group/geoengineering . For more options, visit https ://groups. google .com/groups/opt_out . </blockquote> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
