Hi All
Clive Hamilton did at least take the trouble to learn something about
the subject he wanted to attack and was kind enough to send me a free
copy of his book. I have no record of any request for information
from Mike Hulme about marine cloud brightening. Did anyone working on
other methods get a request?
Stephen
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University of Edinburgh Mayfield Road Edinburgh EH9 3JL Scotland
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On 13/10/2013 15:03, [email protected] wrote:
Indeed people will do anything or accept anything when they are
desperate enough. We are nowhere close to desperation especially with
current rate of warming essentially at zero for unknown reasons. I
suggest the best bet until it starts warming again is to focus on
cooling science and/or technology, i.e., do some R&D, focus on getting
funding, and stop trying to be psychologists or politicians or to
anticipate their thinking..
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*From: *"Lou Grinzo" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Cc: *"andrew lockley" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:37:12 AM
*Subject: *Re: [geo] Can science fix climate change? | Mike Hulme
To be blunt, I think many (but by no means all) of these SRM vs. CDR
vs. whatever discussions will become meaningless once we're desperate
enough for relief from CC impacts.
And looking at all the relevant metrics -- current CO2 emissions,
infrastructure lock-in, the potential for large CO2 + CH4 emissions
from the Arctic -- we're clearly on a path for almost unimaginable
desperation. I don't think the argument for developing technologies
like SRM and CDR has to go any further than that. Barring a stunning
reversal of worldwide emissions patterns (and some luck in the
Arctic), there's virtually no chance we can escape massive pain
without GE.
I wish our political "leaders" would act like adults [insert laughter
here] and get on with the job of preparing for GE and emergency
mitigation efforts.
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:41:43 AM UTC-4, Ron wrote:
Andrew and List:
Obviously Professor Hume's new book will not provide a happy
addition for those on this list interested in SRM. But not a new
view. I can't contribute, for lack of proper study reasons, but I
hope others will.
But I also hope Professor Hume and others would comment on the
other interest of this list - the CDR portion on each of his three
points:
Desirable - I take most of the CDR approaches to be
"desirable" using the comparison with controlling local weather.
Not addressing rising temperatures will be based on the
undesirable aspect of societal costs and externalities apparently.
Ethical issues are in this first category.
Governable - Mostly, the CDR approaches seem governable - at
least to the extent that parceling out carbon credits obviously
will require following some rules, that we already (sort of) know
how to do and are doing.
Reliable - Same response. Funding unreliable CDR approaches
won't be tolerated very long in a CDR market open to all (10?) CDR
approaches
Ron
On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]
<about:blank>> wrote:
http://www.mikehulme.org/2013/09/can-science-fix-climate-change/
Professor Mike Hulme's Site« Forthcoming book
Can science fix climate change?
(23 September 2013) ‘Can science fix climate change?‘ I have
just submitted my full manuscript of this new book title
to Polity Press. The book argues against the research and
deployment of large-scale sunlight reflection methods,
especially stratospheric aerosol injection, as a response to
climate change. The book will appear in the New Year as part
of their New Human Frontiers series. Here is a brief
summary:“In this book I outline the reasons why I believe this
particular climate fix—creating a thermostat for the planet–is
undesirable, ungovernable and unreliable. It
is undesirablebecause regulating global temperature is not the
same thing as controlling local weather and climate. It
is ungovernable because there is no plausible and legitimate
process for deciding who sets the world’s temperature. And it
is unreliable because of the law of unintended consequences:
deliberate intervention with the atmosphere on a global-scale
will lead to unpredictable, dangerous and contentious
outcomes. I make my position clear: I do not wish to live in
this brave new climate-controlled world. In Aldous Huxley’s
1932 novel ‘Brave New World’, his ironic Utopia was brought
about by totalitarian engineering of the human subject–‘Yes,
everybody’s happy now’. For those promoting the virtues of
designer climates the equivalent pathological Utopia would be
brought about by totalitarian engineering of the planet.”
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