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Climate science: can geoengineering save the world?

Climate professors Mike Hulme and David Keith go head to head over whether
climate engineering could provide a solution to climate change

Friday 29 November 2013 18.02

Geoengineering means artificially modifying the Earth's climate. Is this a
dangerous folly or one of our great hopes?

Geoengineering. It's not the sexiest sounding topic, but a small group of
scientists say it just might be able to save the world.

The basic idea behind geonengineering (or climate engineering) is that
humans can artificially moderate the Earth's climate allowing us to control
temperature, thereby avoiding the negative impacts of climate change. There
are a number of methods suggested to achieve this scientific wizardry,
including placing huge reflectors in space or using aerosols to reduce the
amount of carbon in the air.

It's a hugely controversial theory. One of the main counter-arguments is
that promoting a manmade solution to climate change will lead to inertia
around other efforts to reduce human impact. But the popularity of
geoengineering is on the rise among some scientists and even received a nod
from the IPCC in its recent climate change report.

In a fast-flowing and sometimes heated head-to-head climate professors
David Keith and Mike Hulme set out the for and against. Keith, a
geoengineering advocate, doesn't believe that this science is a solve-all
but says "it could significantly reduce climate impacts to vulnerable
people and ecosystems over the next half century." While Hulme sets out his
stall in no uncertain terms: "Solar climate engineering is a flawed idea
seeking an illusory solution to the wrong problem".

Enjoy the debate and do add your comments at the end.

David Keith: Gordon McKay professor of applied physics (SEAS) and professor
of public policy at Harvard Kennedy School

Deliberately adding one pollutant to temporarily counter another is a
brutally ugly technical fix, yet that is the essence of the suggestion that
sulphur be injected into the stratosphere to limit the damage caused by the
carbon we've pumped into the air.

I take solar geoengineering seriously because evidence from atmospheric
physics, climate models, and observations strongly suggest that it could
significantly reduce climate impacts to vulnerable people and ecosystems
over the next half century.

The strongest arguments against solar geoengineering seem to be the fear
that it is a partial fix that will encourage us to slacken our efforts to
cut carbon emissions. This is moral confusion. It is our responsibility to
limit the impact that our cheap energy has on our grandchildren
independently of the choices we make about temporary solar
geoengineering.Were we faced with a one-time choice between making a total
commitment to a geoengineering programme to offset all warming and
abandoning geoengineering forever, I would choose abandonment. But this is
not the choice we face. Our choice is between the status quo—with almost no
organised research on the subject—and commitment to a serious research
program that will develop the capability to geoengineer, improve
understanding of the technology's risks and benefits, and open up the
research community to dilute the geo-clique. Given this choice, I choose
research; and if that research supports geoengineering's early promise, I
would then choose gradual deployment.

Mike Hulme: professor of climate and culture in the School of Social
Science & Public Policy at King's College London

David, your ambition to significantly reduce future climate impacts is one
of course we can share along with many others. But I am mystified by your
faith that solar climate engineering is an effective way of achieving this.
More direct and assured methods would be to invest in climate adaptation
measures—a short-term gain—and to invest in new clean energy technologies—a
long-term gain.My main argument against solar engineering is not the moral
hazard argument you refer to. It is twofold. First, all evidence to
date—from computer simulations and from the analogies of explosive volcanic
eruptions—is that deliberately injecting sulphur into the stratosphere will
further destabilise regional climates. It may reduce globally-averaged
warming, but that it not what causes climate damage. It is regional weather
that does that—droughts in the US, floods in Pakistan, typhoons in
Philippines. Solar climate engineering in short is a zero-sum game: some
will win, some will lose.Which leads me to my second argument. The
technology is ungovernable. Even the gradual deployment you propose will
have repercussions for all nations, all peoples and all species. All of
these affected agents therefore need representation in any decisions made
and over any regulatory bodies established. But given the lamentable state
in which the conventional UN climate negotiations linger on, I find it hard
to envisage any scenario in which the world's nations will agree to a
thermostat in the sky.Solar climate engineering is a flawed idea seeking an
illusory solution to the wrong problem.DK - You are correct that climate
impacts are ultimately felt at the local scale as changes in soil moisture,
precipitation or similar quantities. No one feels the global average
temperature. Precisely because of this concern my group has studied
regional responses to geoengineering.In the first quantitative look at the
effectiveness of solar geoengineering we found—to our surprise—that it can
reduce changes in both temperature and precipitation on a region-by-region
basis. This work has now been replicated by much larger study using a whole
set of climate models led by Alan Robock one of the more skeptical
scientist working on the topic, and they got the same result. While there
are claims in the popular press that it will "destabilise regional
climates"—presumably meaning that it will increase local variability—I know
of no scientific paper that backs this up.I have no faith in
geoengineering. I have some faith in empirical science and reasoned
argument. It's true that we don't have mechanisms for legitimate governance
of this technology. Indeed in the worse case this technology could lead to
large-scale conflict. This exactly why I and others have started efforts to
engage policy makers from around the world to begin working on the
problem.MH - David, The point here is how much faith we can place in
climate models to discern these types of regional changes. As the recent
report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has shown,
at sub-continental scales state-of-the-art climate models do not robustly
simulate the effects of greenhouse gas accumulation on climate.What you are
claiming then is that we can rely upon these same models to be able to
ascertain accurately the additional effects of sulphur loading of the
stratosphere. Frankly, I would not bet a dollar on such results, let alone
the fate of millions.You may say that this is exactly why we need more
research—bigger and better climate models. I've been around the climate
research scene long enough to remember 30 years of such claims. Are we to
wait another 30 years? What we can be sure about is that once additional
pollutants are injected into the skies, the real climate will not behave
like the model climate at scales that matter for people.As for getting
political scientists to research new governance mechanisms for the global
thermostat - you again place more faith in human rationality than I. We
have had more than 20 years of a real-world experiment into global climate
governance: it's called the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. It's
hardly been a roaring success! You must be a supreme optimist to then
expect a novel system of global governance can be invented and sustained
over the time periods necessary for solar climate engineering to be
effective.DK: You made a very strong claim that geoengineering is zero-sum.
If true, I would oppose any further work on the technology. I responded
that results from all climate models strongly suggest that this is not the
case. Your response was to dismiss climate models. Assume for the moment
that climate models tell us nothing about regional climate response, on
what then do you base your claim that solar geoengineering is zero sum -
that is, that is just shuffles winners and losers?When climate skeptics
rubbish models I defend science by agreeing if all we had was complex
models I too would be a doubter; but, I then argue, that we base our
conclusions on a breath of evidence from basic physics and a vast range of
observations to simple—auditable—models as well as the full-blow three
dimensional climate models. Models of atmospheric circulation and aerosols
developed for earth make good predictions of the climates of other planets.
This is a triumph of science.The same science that shows us that carbon
dioxide will change the climate shows that scattering a bit more sunlight
will reduce that climate change. How you do you accept one and reject the
other?

On the other points: I am not exited by an endless round of climate model
improvements nor do it think that political scientist will solve this. We
need less theory and more empiricism.

MH: David, I agree that we need less theory and more empiricism. This is
one of the reasons why I am skeptical that climate models are able to
reveal confidently what will happen to regional climates—especially
precipitation—once sulphur is pumped into the stratosphere.I don't dismiss
climate models, but I discriminate between what they are good for and what
they are less good for. Having spent nearly half of my professional life
studying their ability to simulate regional and local rainfall—by comparing
simulations against observations, empiricism if you will—I have little
faith in their skill at the regional and local scales.But let's assume for
a moment that climate models were reliable at these scales. Another
argument against intentional solar climate engineering is that it will
introduce another reason for antagonism between nations. There are those
who claim that their models are good enough to precisely attribute specific
local meteorological extremes—and ensuing human damages—to greenhouse gas
emissions. There will be nations who will want to claim that any damaging
weather extreme following sulphur injection was aerosol-caused rather than
natural- or greenhouse gas-caused. The potential for liability and
counter-liability claims between nations is endless.I am against solar
climate engineering not because some violation of nature's integrity - the
argument used by some. I am against it because my reading of scientific
evidence and of collective human governance capabilities suggests to me
that the risks of implementation greatly outweigh any benefits. There are
surer ways of reducing the dangers of climate change.

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