My point related to interventions, not experiments A On 21 Aug 2014 19:40, "Ken Caldeira" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I want to distance myself a bit from Andrew's remarks. > > My point was about treating geoengineering research like any other > research. > > With rare exception, shouldn't all research, especially publicly funded > research, be open and transparent, make underlying data available, be > sensitive to social needs and concerns, seek to minimize risk, seek > appropriate public input, etc? There is nothing exceptional > about geoengineering research. > > I would expect research groups to accept liability for any damage they > would cause in the course of conducting an experiment. > > > On Thursday, August 21, 2014, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I agree with Ken's stance. There's a legal approach to this problem, >> which has been widely applied in a range of scenarios and jurisdictions. >> This is based variously on the "good Samaritan" or emergency responder >> legislation or case law. >> >> The central issue is thus : if a good faith intervention is made to >> address a problem or crisis, who is liable for damage thus caused? >> >> To express in a practical example : who should pay for cleaning the >> carpets if the fireman's muddy boots cause stains? This is particularly >> relevant when the mud is in a neighbour's house, not the householder's. >> >> I'm hoping to work this discussion up into a paper, and if anyone is >> interested in collaboration, please let me know. >> >> A >> On 21 Aug 2014 11:00, "Ken Caldeira" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I heard much more talk at CEC14 about reducing risk posed by attempts to >>> reduce risk from climate change than I heard about attempts to reduce risk >>> from climate change. >>> >>> There was what seemed to me to be a dangerous meme of geoengineering >>> exceptionalism, that for some reason geoengineering research should be >>> treated differently than other forms of research. >>> >>> With rare exception, shouldn't all research, especially publicly funded >>> research, be open and transparent, make underlying data available, be >>> sensitive to social needs and concerns, seek to minimize risk, seek >>> appropriate public input, etc? There is nothing exceptional >>> about geoengineering research. >>> >>> I started out the meeting asking two questions: >>> >>> 1. What is the problem? >>> 2. What is so special? >>> >>> My answer to the first question is that the problem is how to reduce >>> risk from climate change. >>> >>> My answer to the second question is that there is nothing special about >>> geoengineering research -- let's see an end to 'geoengineering >>> exceptionalism'. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________ >>> Ken Caldeira >>> >>> Carnegie Institution for Science >>> Dept of Global Ecology >>> 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA >>> +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] >>> http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab >>> https://twitter.com/KenCaldeira >>> >>> Assistant: Dawn Ross <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "geoengineering" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> > > -- > _______________ > Ken Caldeira > > Carnegie Institution for Science > Dept of Global Ecology > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA > +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] > http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab > https://twitter.com/KenCaldeira > > Assistant: Dawn Ross <[email protected]> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
