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CULTURE | ANTHROPOLOGY
An Astrobiologist Asks a Sci-fi Novelist How to Survive the Anthropocene
Kim Stanley Robinson imagines our future.

BY DAVID GRINSPOON

Humans will have a chance to prove their adaptability as the Earth
undergoes unprecedented challenges in the Anthropocene, an era named after
our impact on the biosphere. To learn what it takes to survive far into the
future, astrobiologist David Grinspoon interviewed Kim Stanley Robinson, a
writer regarded as one of the most important science fiction and political
novelists alive today. Robinson’s recent book, 2312, permits humans to
survive near-extinction and populate the solar system over the course of
300 years.

We decided to kick off the conversation with a 2312 excerpt from the
chapter, “Earth, The Planet of Sadness:”

“Clean tech came too late to save Earth from the catastrophes of the early
Anthropocene. It was one of the ironies of their time that they could
radically change the surfaces of the other planets, but not Earth. The
methods they employed in space were almost all too crude and violent. Only
with the utmost caution could they tinker with anything on Earth, because
everything there was so tightly balanced and interwoven.”

David Grinspoon: Humans in 2312 can transverse the universe, but they could
not save the Earth from environmental devastation. Do you think our
intelligence just isn’t adaptive enough to learn how to live sustainably?

 Human intelligence is adaptive. It’s given us enormous powers in the
physical world thus far. With it, we’ve augmented our senses by way of
technologies like microscopes, telescopes, and sensors, such that we have
seen things many magnitudes smaller and larger than we could see with
unaided senses, as well as things outside of our natural sensory ranges.

But our intelligence has also led to unprecedented problems as our planet
reaches its carrying capacity. Is intelligence adaptive enough to adjust to
the calamities of its own success? This situation is a completely new thing
in history—which means that no one can answer the question now.

 I think we can make it through this current, calamitous time period. I
envision a two-part process. First, we need to learn what to do in
ecological terms. That sounds tricky, but the biosphere is robust and we
know a lot about it, so really it’s a matter of refining our parameters;
i.e. deciding how many of us constitutes a carrying capacity given our
consumption, and then figuring out the technologies and lifestyles that
would allow for that carrying capacity while also allowing ecosystems to
thrive. We have a rough sense of these parameters now.

The second step is the political question: It’s a matter of
self-governance. We’d need to act globally, and that’s obviously
problematic. But the challenge is not really one of intellect. It’s the
ability to enforce a set of laws that the majority would have to agree on
and live by, and those who don’t agree would have to follow.

So this isn’t a question of reconciling gravity with quantum mechanics, or
perceiving the strings of string theory. Instead it involves other aspects
of intelligence, like sociability, long-range planning, law, and politics.
Maybe these kinds of intelligence are even more difficult to develop, but
in any case, they are well within our adaptive powers.

DG: Do you think the spread of Internet access can help us forge a
multi-generational global identity that might drive change? It wouldn’t be
the first time that technological advancements massively transformed
humankind’s history.KSR: The Internet may be helpful but we’ll need more
than global awareness. We need a global economic system that is designed
specifically for sustainability. We already have a global economic system
in the form of institutions like the World Bank and the International
Monetary Fund. Together, their agreements make up a comprehensive system.
But right now, this system cheats future generations by systematically
underpricing the true costs of our exploitation of the biosphere. It sets
the prices of the Earth’s natural resources by establishing what is
basically the aggregation of supplies and demands. But this process is
biased toward pricing things lower and lower, because of pressure from
buyers and the need for sellers to stay in business. As a result, sellers
sell their products for less than they cost to make, which should lead to
bankruptcy for the seller, but it doesn’t because parts of the costs have
been shifted onto future generations to pay. When practiced systematically
it becomes a kind of multi-generational Ponzi scheme, and leads to the mass
extinction event of the early Anthropocene, which we have already started.

What we want is to remember that our system is constructed for a purpose,
and so in need of constant fixing and new tries.

Measurements used by the Global Footprint Network and a famous study led by
Robert Costanza have shown that the “natural services” we use can be
assigned a dollar amount that is much greater than the entire human
economy, and that we overdraw these resources and destroy their function.
So in effect, we are eating our future.

And I think it’s going to be hard to change the global economic system
quickly. There’s a term for that among economists called path dependence.
For example, we have a path dependency on carbon that we could shift over
to a cleaner and cheaper—cheaper, if you take into account the true costs
to the planet—power and transport system. But the pace of technological
change for something that big might be up to a century because we’re
constrained by path dependence. And I don’t think we have that much time.

DG: So, are we talking evolution or revolution? Do we need to escape from
path dependence and start anew?KSR: No, we have to alter the system we
already have, because like an animal with evolutionary constraints, we
can’t change everything and start from scratch. But what we could do is
reconstruct regulations on the existing global economic system. For this,
we would need to wrench capitalism so that the global rules of the World
Bank, etc., required ecological sustainability as their main criterion.
That way, prices would shift to match their true costs. Burning carbon
would cost more than it does now, and clean energy would become cheaper
than burning carbon. This would address the most pressing part of our
crisis, but finding a replacement for the market to allocate goods and
price them is not easy.

As we enter this new mass extinction event, at some point there is going to
be a global civilization response that will try to deal with it: try to
cope, survive, and repair landscapes and ecosystems. The scientific method
and democratic politics are going to be the crucial tools, I’d say. For
them to work, we need universal justice and education because we need
active and well-educated citizens who are empowered and live at adequacy.

>From where we are now, this looks pretty hard, but I think that’s because
capitalism as we know it is represented as natural, entrenched, and
immutable. None of that is true. It’s a political order and political
orders change. What we want is to remember that our system is constructed
for a purpose, and so in need of constant fixing and new tries.

DG: I often wonder if civilizations elsewhere in the universe have made it
through times like the ones we’re facing now. Astrobiologists think the
likelihood of there being extraterrestrial intelligent life elsewhere in
the universe is high. Our next question is if they’re out there, why
haven’t they made themselves obvious to us? One recently suggested
answer to this puzzle, known as the Fermi Paradox, is that unsustainable
growth is an unavoidable property of civilizations, so they
self-destruct.KSR: The Fermi Paradox poses a really interesting question,
but I think it’s unanswerable. My feeling is, the universe is too big, and
life too planet-specific for intelligent life forms to communicate with
each other, except for by accident and very rarely. So perhaps they’re out
there, and perhaps they’ve made it through something like our current era,
but we wouldn’t know. I am just making assumptions based on the data, and
telling a science fiction story. But so is everyone else talking about this
issue.

DG: If you don’t want to speculate on outer space, do you think
civilizations in science fiction offer any examples of long-lived
societies?KSR: I like to think so. In Ursula K. Le Guin’s The Dispossessed,
a planetary society runs as a kind of giant anarchist collective. Decisions
are made in long, consensus-building sessions, and the economy appears to
be a matter of voluntary contributions of work. It’s a culture of minimal
need and use, such that everyone lives at adequacy and no one consumes very
much, as this is regarded as gross behavior.

Iain Banks’s Culture series describes a far-future, post-scarcity society
in which the technological power available to civilization is such that
basic needs are always more than satisfied. However, they have other sorts
of problems that have to do with the interactions between different
societies.

In my novel, 2312, the economy is in some ways a funhouse mirror portrayal
of our world. One of the civilizations—called the Mondragon after the
Basque city in Spain that runs its economy as a set of nested
co-ops—provides for everyone’s basic needs as a kind of public utility
district service. Then there is a more free-market capitalist world of
exchange of luxuries; these arrangements are loosely grouped as “above and
beyonds.” That’s one image of a possible future, sustainable economy.
However, if you include all the civilizations on Earth and in space
in 2312, there remains a steep inequality gradient with most of the poor on
Earth.

DG: So you’re saying that even if we learn to live sustainably, we may
still have serious poverty?KSR: Actually, 2312 is not so much a prediction
of a future but rather a symbolic portrait of now. Poverty is mostly
political in nature because the technological ability to create adequacy
for all living humans exists in 2312 (as it does now) but it has never been
made the “civilizational project.” In the symbolic sense, people have
already begun a process of speciation, in that the most prosperous on Earth
live on average decades longer than the poorest people, and can change
gender to an extent. Instead, the main division between people is height.
By dividing people into the “shorts” and the “talls,” I was alluding to the
idea that we are becoming separate sub-species based on class. And by
describing how the “shorts” have many advantages, I was trying to point out
that the assumption that bigger is better is false in many situations.

DG: Another interesting detail in 2312 is that biomes can be made from
scratch on asteroids, according to a set of directions that reads like a
recipe. But you warn of a potential danger at an early stage in the
process: “Once you get your marsh going, you may fall in love with it.” Why
is that a risk?KSR: It’s a bit of a joke. Some of the ecologists I spoke to
when I was writing the book told me that marshes were their favorite biomes
because of their fecundity. As someone who likes the high Sierra I was
surprised by this, and learned to look at the landscape differently. It
also made me consider how all biomes are beautiful, depending on how you
look at them. So being urged to move on to drier biomes is then part of
that idea, but it’s not a very serious one. I have to admit that a lot of
what is in 2312 is me fooling around. I think this is one thing that has
made the book attractive to people, the sense of play, and that our
landscapes and cities as artworks with aesthetic pleasures.

DG: Even though the Earth is a mess in2312, the heroine of the book falls
in love with the sky as seen on Earth, and the wolves that have been
re-introduced. Do you think that people will always retain a connection to
this planet despite its flaws?

KSR: Yes, this was a point I was trying to make. I have this intuition that
because we evolved on Earth, and are, as individuals, part of a complex
network of living and natural forces, that we are biomes in effect. The
result is that we will never be able to stay healthy if away from Earth for
long. We carry the Earth within us, and by the same measure, I think we’ll
always need the Earth around us to replenish ourselves.

David Grinspoon is an astrobiologist working with several interplanetary
spacecrafts. In 2013, he was named the inaugural Chair of Astrobiology at
the Library of Congress. He tweets at@DrFunkySpoon

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