Hi Andrew -

Thanks for this article.  As an advocate of so-called eco-restoration, I 
think it raises some interesting points, but I don't see that they're of 
much consequence.  Nature is always in flux, so there's no going back to 
some presumptive primeval state.  The question then is what are we 
restoring for?  

I think the answer lies somewhere along the lines that, like all living 
creatures, we behave in ways that modify our habitats, presumably but not 
necessarily to our own advantage.  Sometimes those modifications have 
extraordinary benefits for other living things (the work of beavers in 
North America, for example) - and sometimes they're a disaster for other 
living things (the work of humans in civilizations everywhere, unless 
you're a domesticated plant/animal).

The problem that I see in the ethical perspective is that it separates us 
from nature.  It seems to me that the fundamentals are about survival, not 
ethics.  Ethics are a human invention, and they may serve us as a social 
animal, but there are no ethics in nature at large.  Nature does what it 
does, species come and go, some are around longer than others, but there 
are no favorites, there is no "preferred" state of existence.  We humans, 
on the other hand, have definite preferences.  We want habitats that feed 
and water us.

Our adaptive genius has run amok, and we've expanded planetary carrying 
capacity for humans to its seams.  The question, then, is do we want to 
wake up tomorrow and eat, or not?  And how long do we want the feast to 
last?  At the moment the answer is not very long at all, and we don't like 
that answer.  So we have to do something, and in so doing ethics will take 
a back seat to biology.

High tech?  Sorry, not sustainable.  Low-tech?  Maybe better, seems to have 
worked for millennia in Amazonia, hard to know for sure.  Functioning 
ecosystems?  Best bet - never any guarantees, but I'll go with best bet.

The use of ethics: for justice, fairness, equity among humans - of course, 
we don't do well solo, we have to get along to survive.  But our 
relationship with nature has little to do with ethics and everything to do 
with dinner.  Arguments about geo-engineering also get down to biological 
basics.   

As it turns out (funny how things work), the best way to guarantee dinner 
for the foreseeable future may well be to deal with nature at our ethical 
best (if/when we figure out what that is, best done with some food in our 
stomachs).

Cheers!

Adam


On Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:33:31 AM UTC-4, andrewjlockley wrote:
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