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On 16 Feb 2015, at 10:55, olivermorton <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jamais, Alan
> 
> It seems to me that the best way to avoid geoengineering triggering tensions 
> which rise to the level of nuclear war is to commit oneself, as I am pretty 
> sure Alan is committed, to working towards a golbal zero option on nuclear 
> weapons. This has the added bonus of avoiding anything *other* than 
> geoengineering leading to the threat of war, too...
> 
> ever, o
> 
> On Sunday, 15 February 2015 19:03:15 UTC, cascio wrote:
> It’s not a question of whether or not it's a weapon, it’s a question of 
> whether or not it’s perceived as a threat.
> 
> At the Berlin event, I told some of you about the CIA Center for Climate 
> Change and National Security simulation exercise I was asked to do four or 
> five years ago. What started as a climate disruption/storms & droughts & 
> bears scenario evolved (as the China and US teams responded) into a potential 
> SRM scenario. By the final turn, the possible deployment of SRM on one side 
> had been perceived as a real threat to agriculture on the other, and missiles 
> were being put on alert.
> 
> Perception trumps objective reality when it comes to national security. 
> 
> On that note, the CIACCCNS is no longer around, as the Republican house 
> determined that since climate change wasn’t real, the center wasn’t needed. 
> Seriously.
> 
> -Jamais Cascio
> 
> Proof: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamais_cascio/6214330683/
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Respectfully, I disagree.
>> 
>> The status of geoengineering is perhaps more likely to be akin to trade 
>> sanctions.
>> 
>> Imagine a bipolar world which is divided up purely into a Chinese superpower 
>> zone and an American superpower zone. There may be various skirmishes going 
>> on at any one time, as we see in Ukraine. Simultaneously, we may see ongoing 
>> trade, diplomacy and cooperation in other ways. (This pattern is common 
>> among 'frenemies'.) 
>> 
>> Where the parties have a clearly different CE preference, the concept of 
>> weaponisation becomes extremely blurred. Using CE becomes a bargaining chip 
>> like all others. In extremis, such a tool may cause profound food shortages 
>> in the counterparty's zone, or expose key infrastructure to natural 
>> disasters.
>> 
>> How could we agree whether that constituted a weapon, or not?
>> 
>> A
>> 
>> On 15 Feb 2015 16:38, "Ken Caldeira" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Based on the history of our intelligence agencies involvement in secret 
>> kidnappings and torture, killing noncombatants with drones, spying on our 
>> telecommunications, etc, we can take it as a given that secret US 
>> governmental organizations will engage in criminal behavior.
>> 
>> However, we should be entirely clear:
>> 
>> There is absolutely no evidence that any US intelligence agency has any 
>> interest in climate intervention for anything other than defense-related 
>> informational purposes.
>> 
>> Furthermore, there is no plausible scenario in which climate intervention 
>> could be used effectively as a weapon.
>> 
>> So, while I share Alan's contempt for the criminal behavior of our secretive 
>> governmental agencies, I do not think it is helpful to speculate that in 
>> this instance, the agencies are looking for new ways that they might inflict 
>> suffering on others.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Ken
>> 
>> _______________
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Alan Robock <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> Dear Mick,
>> 
>> The Daily Mail article is true.  
>> 
>> But you might also be interested in the more informative BBC interview:
>> 
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31475761
>> Alan
>> 
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>> Watch my 18 min TEDx talk at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsrEk1oZ-54
>> On 2/14/15, 10:30 PM, Mick West wrote:
>>> The Daily Mail story about CIA inquiries concerning covert geoengineering 
>>> is interesting because I actually posed a very similar question to the 
>>> Geoengineering list three years ago, to which both of you (Alan and Andrew) 
>>> responded directly. 
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/geoengineering/UzNzNyJIZ2g/Qvs7XFNK5doJ
>>> 
>>> So I was wondering Alan, if is this the Daily Mail's dramatic retelling of 
>>> this exchange, or were there actually "CIA" men calling you asking similar 
>>> questions?
>>> 
>>> Mick
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Poster's note : Robock tweeted this, so it's probably not entirely 
>>> inaccurate. (Members outside the UK may not be aware that the Daily Mail is 
>>> widely derided.)
>>> 
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2954051/Chill-factor-CIA-weather-query.html
>>> 
>>> Chill factor at 'CIA' weather query
>>> 
>>> By Press Association 
>>> 00:43 15 Feb 2015,
>>> 
>>> A leading American climate scientist has said he felt "scared" when a 
>>> shadowy organisation claiming to represent the CIA asked him about the 
>>> possibility of weaponised weather.
>>> 
>>> Professor Alan Robock received a call three years ago from two men wanting 
>>> to know if experts would be able to spot a hostile force's attempts to 
>>> upset the US climate.
>>> 
>>> But he suspected the real intention was to find out how feasible it might 
>>> be to secretly interfere with the climate of another country.
>>> 
>>> The professor, from the Department of Environmental Sciences at Rutgers 
>>> University, New Jersey, has investigated the potential risks and benefits 
>>> of using stratospheric particles to simulate the climate-changing effects 
>>> of volcanic eruptions.
>>> 
>>> Speaking at the annual meeting of the American Association for the 
>>> Advancement of Science in San Jose, California, where he took part in a 
>>> debate on geoengineering to combat climate change, Prof Robock said: " I 
>>> got a phone call from two men who said we work as consultants for the CIA 
>>> and we'd like to know if some other country was controlling our climate, 
>>> would we know about it?"I told them, after thinking a little bit, that      
>>>          we probably would because if you put enough material in the 
>>> atmosphere to reflect sunlight we would be able to detect it and see the 
>>> equipment that was putting it up there."At the same time I thought they 
>>> were probably also interested in if we could control somebody else's 
>>> climate, could they detect it?"
>>> 
>>> Asked how he felt when the approach was made, he said: "Scared. I'd learned 
>>> of lots of other things the CIA had done that haven't followed the rules 
>>> and I thought that wasn't how I wanted my tax money spent. I think this 
>>> research has to be in the open and international so there isn't any 
>>> question of it being used for hostile purposes."
>>> 
>>> Geoengineering to offset the effects of global warming could include 
>>> scattering sulphur particles in the upper atmosphere to re-direct sunlight 
>>> back into space, seeding the oceans with iron to encourage the spread of 
>>> carbon-hungry algae, and creating reflective areas on the Earth's surface.
>>> 
>>> But the long-term effects of such strategies are largely unknown and many 
>>> experts fear they may pose grave risks.
>>> 
>>> A further twist in Prof Robock's story concerns the CIA's alleged 
>>> co-funding of a major report on geoengineering published this week by the 
>>> prestigious US National Academy of Sciences.The report mentions the "US 
>>> intelligence community" in its list of sponsors, which also includes the 
>>> American space agency Nasa, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric 
>>> Administration, and the US Department of Energy.
>>> 
>>> Prof Robock said the CIA had told one of his colleagues it wanted to fund 
>>> the report, but apparently did not want this fact to be too obvious.
>>> 
>>> "The CIA is a major funder of the National Academies report so that makes 
>>> me really worried who is going to be in control," he added.
>>> 
>>> He pointed out that the US had a history of using the weather in a hostile 
>>> way. During the Vietnam War clouds were seeded over the Ho Chi Minh trail - 
>>> a footpath-based supply route used by the North Vietnamese - to make the 
>>> track muddy in an attempt to cut it off.
>>> 
>>> The CIA had also seeded clouds over Cuba "to make it rain and ruin the 
>>> sugar harvest".During a press conference on the potential risks of 
>>> geoengineering, Prof Robock was asked what its greatest hazard might be.
>>> 
>>> He replied: "The answer is global nuclear war because if one country wants 
>>> to control the climate in one way, and another doesn't want it or if they 
>>> try to shoot down the planes ... if there is no agreement, it could result 
>>> in terrible consequences."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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