Michael, Greg and list, courtesy ccs to Andrew and Dr. Mazo
1. Thanks greatly for the copy of the “Survival” article by Dr. Mazo.
If you could also send his reference #10 (2012 - “Geoengineering: Rules
Needed for Climate-altering Science”) from the same journal, I believe it
would help us in understanding the article you sent - and in interpreting his
latest “Stand There” title. More importantly, it would expose us to an
expert’s views on the threat of global conflict over “geoengineering”, about
which he is obviously greatly concerned. A recent other available example of
Dr. Mazo’s concerns is at
https://www.iiss.org/en/politics%20and%20strategy/blogsections/2015-932e/april-ea11/pollyanna-or-cassandra-6435
IISS and Dr. Mazo are obviously well positioned to be expert on conflict.
2. In following up Dr. Svoboda’s lead for us, I find that he should be
viewed as a very skilled environmental analyst - with considerable recent
emphasis on geo as can be seen in numerous blog entries at Yale Climate
Connection, such as this one by him on the same recent NAS report topic:
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2015/03/geoengineering-neither-geo-nor-engineering/
I thought his was one of the best I have seen. In that March review, Dr.
Svoboda identifies other sources on this topic, including 100 listed at:
http://www.climate-engineering.eu/single/items/press-review-nas-reports-on-srm-and-cdr.html
.
I won’t be delving deeper, as I have found (unfortunately) little in
any of this on biochar, but I can recommend also the review by the National
Geographic, found at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150210-national-academy-geoengineering-report-climate-change-environment/
I hope Dr. Svoboda or Dr. Mazo or someone can summarize what this long
list of NAS report reviews can tell us about “geo” and its different subparts -
aside from the NAS reports themselves - which I now understand to have changed
a lot over two years.
3. I comment further on the “Stand There” title of this thread below.
As my proof that this “Stand There” title needs to be questioned, I
note that there are hundreds (maybe thousands) of biochar experiments and real
implementation going on right now - with a doubling time that observers believe
is perhaps even less than a year. China may be doing more than the rest of
the world combined (as they have for most renewables). But we have little
knowledge on China’s biochar activities, save the hundreds of technical biochar
articles coming out of China.
So I hope anyone really concerned about biochar advancing too rapidly,
will let the biochar world know quickly. I presume that other CDR approach
advocates, and maybe even Dr. Mazo, are in agreement - that “stand there”
delay is not needed for all of “Geo”.
For others as surprised as I about the speed of what is going on for
biochar and especially what is happening in China, I urge looking at the most
recent IBI Newsletter - at
http://www.biochar-international.org/sites/default/files/May_IBI_Newsletter.pdf.
It closes with 12 pages of (May only new cites - maybe averaging 12/page) -
and at least 25% seem to have Chinese authors. There are four separate Biochar
organizations in China.
Again thanks to Dr. Svoboda for a very helpful addition. A few more
comments below on the three earlier messages in this thread started by Andrew.
Ron
On May 28, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Michael Svoboda" <[email protected]>
> Date: 28 May 2015 23:00
> Subject: Re: [geo] Geoengineering: Don't Just Do Something, Stand There
> To: <[email protected]>
> Cc: "geoengineering" <[email protected]>, "Andrew Lockley"
> <[email protected]>
>
> It is a good title, but it's just a review of the two Climate Intervention
> reports released by NRC in March.
> Seems my school has access; attached is the pdf.
[RWL2: I am concerned about the title. I believe Dr. Mazo has,
hopefully inadvertently, lumped all possible “Geo” technologies together - and
that some should be encouraged to advance as rapidly as possible. This speed
appropriate since most of the CDR (NET/GGR) approaches would seem to have zero
chance of fomenting the armed conflict about which Dr. Mazo is (appropriately,
and knowledgeably) concerned. I hope SRM advocates will also jump in on this
warfare topic - which seems relatively new.
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Greg Rau <[email protected]> wrote:
> Paywalled. Great title, though not sure if it refers to geoenginneers being
> forced to stand around as the Earth burns, or the general population standing
> around doing nothing.
[RWL3: I thought at first, perhaps like Greg, that satire was
involved (see http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/03/22/stand-there/).
However, after reading more from Dr. Mazo, I am quite sure he is
urging no further “Geo” action (including research?) until an international
control mechanism is in place. No satire intended it seems. I am not
qualified to entire the debate on research speed re SRM, but I repeat it seems
unwise to put all of CDR on hold until a security mechanism was assured for all
of “Geo”.
End of RWL additions
> Greg
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 5/28/15, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Subject: [geo] Geoengineering: Don't Just Do Something, Stand There
> To: "geoengineering" <[email protected]>
> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2015, 2:25 PM
>
>
> http://iiss.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00396338.2015.1046238#/doi/abs/10.1080/00396338.2015.1046238
> Geoengineering: Don't Just Do Something,
> Stand There
> Jeffrey Mazo
> Survival
> Volume 57, Issue 3, 2015, pages 185-
> 192Published online: 19 May 2015
> DOI: 10.1080/00396338.2015.1046238
> The US National Academy of Sciences confirms
> that geoengineering – through carbon-dioxide removal or
> solar-radiation management – covers a multitude of sins,
> with a few potential virtues
>
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