Both the SRM and the CDR volumes of NAS's Climate Intervention report 
acknowledge support from the "US intelligence community".  Interestingly, the 
reasons for this community's interest in this topic and the implications for 
national security are never really discussed in the report, at least not in the 
CDR volume that I reviewed. Anyway, always good to have "intelligence" 
involved, even if without transparency? In what other aspects of Earth 
sustainability are they (silent) partners?Greg

 
      From: Ken Caldeira <[email protected]>
 To: Fred Zimmerman <[email protected]> 
Cc: Andrew Lockley <[email protected]>; Greg Rau <[email protected]>; 
geoengineering <[email protected]>
 Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [geo] CIA Director Brennan Speaks at the Council on Foreign 
Relations on geoengineering
   
I am comforted by the fact that the CIA director has the facts basically right. 
Rumor had it that the CIA was one of the funders of the recent National Academy 
reports on geoengineering.  It is reassuring to see that the main points of the 
solar geoengineering report have been digested reasonably well:
An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks 
associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional 
time to transition from fossil fuels. The process is also relatively 
inexpensive—the National Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI 
program would cost about $10 billion yearly. As promising as it may be, moving 
forward on SAI would raise a number of challenges for our government and for 
the international community. On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission 
reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change 
effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not remove 
greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.On the geopolitical side, the technology’s 
potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain regions at the expense 
of others could trigger sharp opposition by some nations. Others might seize on 
SAI’s benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon dioxide 
reductions. And, as with other breakthrough technologies, global norms and 
standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI.
NAS report available here:  
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/18988/climate-intervention-reflecting-sunlight-to-cool-earth


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On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Fred Zimmerman <[email protected]> 
wrote:

I think I overstated my formulation. I was not talking about the science but 
really the level of enthusiasm and energy around various options. While we see 
people full-throatedly arguing for MOAR BECCS NOW we don't really see the same 
breadth of enthusiasm for immediate SAI.ᐧ
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Ken Caldeira <[email protected]> wrote:

I think of carbon dioxide removal as a form of mitigation and of solar 
geoengineering as an extreme form of adaptation. 

They are not not mutually exclusive, and not substitutes except insofar as more 
carbon dioxide removal reduces the motivation to deploy solar geoengineering.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 07:52 Fred Zimmerman <[email protected]> wrote:

What I find interesting about this is that it had seemed to me that this 
community had largely moved on to CDR & especially BECCS as the preferred 
mechanism, most people accepting David Keith's view of SAI as a last-ditch 
option for slowing the rate of change.  Do others agree with my formulation?

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> 
wrote:


https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2016-speeches-testimony/director-brennan-speaks-at-the-council-on-foreign-relations.htmlExtract
 Another example is the array of technologies—often referred to collectively as 
geoengineering—that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of 
global climate change. One that has gained my personal attention is 
stratospheric aerosol injection, or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere 
with particles that can help reflect the sun’s heat, in much the same way that 
volcanic eruptions do.An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, 
reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world 
economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels. The process is also 
relatively inexpensive—the National Research Council estimates that a fully 
deployed SAI program would cost about $10 billion yearly. As promising as it 
may be, moving forward on SAI would raise a number of challenges for our 
government and for the international community. On the technical side, 
greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address 
other climate change effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone 
would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.On the geopolitical side, 
the technology’s potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain 
regions at the expense of others could trigger sharp opposition by some 
nations. Others might seize on SAI’s benefits and back away from their 
commitment to carbon dioxide reductions. And, as with other breakthrough 
technologies, global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment 
and implementation of SAI.-- 
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